Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men
by jimmywanger on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @09:00PM
(#12649297)
Why is this a bad thing? Aren't we looking to institute an universal basic income?
[ Parent
| on HN ]
Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men
by golemotron on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @09:22PM
(#12649400)
> Why is this a bad thing? Aren't we looking to institute an universal basic income?
UBI is incompatible with open borders. Neo-liberalism doesn't know how to square that circle.
Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men
by internaut on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @09:39PM
(#12649508)
If I could give a thousand upvotes.
How this escapes otherwise rational people is just stunning.
Anybody with an explanation? Some kind of virtual citizenship?
Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men
by maxsilver on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @10:21PM
(#12649723)
> UBI is incompatible with open borders.
Unless every single country all had UBI at parity. Then UBI and open borders are both fine.
(Obviously, that's nearly impossible to actually achieve. But since we're dreaming, might as well go all the way...)
Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men
by bryanlarsen on Thursday October 06, 2016 @07:27AM
(#12651563)
There's an easy solution: only give UBI to full citizens. Since you usually need to live in and pay taxes in a country for ~10 years to get full citizenship, this is an easy solution.
Like most easy solutions, it's probably too extreme, some permanent residents definitely deserve UBI too. But it doesn't seem difficult to imagine an appropriate test based on years of residency, et cetera. It's certainly an easier problem than some others, like how to pay for UBI.
Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men
by prostoalex on Thursday October 06, 2016 @05:25PM
(#12656244)
Does one also get to double/triple/quadruple their UBI by producing more US citizens with a willing lady?
Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men
by golemotron on Thursday October 06, 2016 @01:25PM
(#12654287)
Many things look easy if you don't take politics into account. Castles in the air.
Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men
by WalterSear on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @09:03PM
(#12649316)
No, we are just arguing about it on internet forums.
Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men
by ndesaulniers on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @09:11PM
(#12649351)
gotta get all those (imaginary) points!
Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men
by theoh on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @09:04PM
(#12649319)
Having some purpose in life is important for mental health and general well-being. A basic income isn't supposed to encourage idleness.
Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men
by solipsism on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @09:06PM
(#12649331)
The "idle" in the title refers only to being unemployed. George doesn't care what you're doing while "idle" -- the tone of the article is that if you don't have a job you're not a "real man".
Re:America’s ‘quiet catastrophe’: Millions of idle men
by solipsism on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @09:16PM
(#12649370)
To those downvoting me -- note the usage of the terms "infantilization" and "emasculation". You don't really have to read between the lines to hear what George is saying, you just need to look those words up.