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Re:Project Cybersyn: Socialism Through Cybernetics by blahi on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @09:44AM (#12643702)
>I'll never understand the fascination that governments and companies have with top-down modeling of demand.

Because that's the only way to manage an organization that consists of more than a dozen hackers.

>You get gluts or shortages when chasing demand which leads to waste like what we have in clothing

Yeah, you should tell that to Zara because they did not receive the memo.

Re:Project Cybersyn: Socialism Through Cybernetics by norea-armozel on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @10:14AM (#12643948)
>Because that's the only way to manage an organization that consists of more than a dozen hackers.

Yet our society is mostly not top-down. No one dictated what will be the next new word to come into existence. Nor is there a commissar that tells us what recreation to enjoy or even how to enjoy it. Seems humankind gets along just doing stuff and figuring out how to organize on it's own without top-down for all aspects of our lives.

Re:Project Cybersyn: Socialism Through Cybernetics by queirozfcom on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @09:48AM (#12643735)
I find it funny that people on the internet, of all places, say that top-down anything is the way to manage an organization. Do you use linux? apache? http? run git? use python? PHP?
Re:Project Cybersyn: Socialism Through Cybernetics by Symmetry on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @10:05AM (#12643877)
Linux is totally a top-down dictatorship. The about this sort of thing in general is that Open Source makes Exit[1] (forking) is super easy which has follow-on effects making Voice more effective. So dictatorship becomes a much more effective model of open source development than it is with political units or brick and mortar companies.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit,_Voice,_and_Loyalty

Re:Project Cybersyn: Socialism Through Cybernetics by eli_gottlieb on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @09:57AM (#12643813)
Don't people always talk about how the best open-source projects are run by "benevolent dictators"? Free entry and exit are rather different things from an organization that just never plans ahead "because freedom".
Re:Project Cybersyn: Socialism Through Cybernetics by norea-armozel on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @10:17AM (#12643981)
I find it funny that some people assume that top-down is the solution to all problems. It never seems to cross their minds that life as a whole is not top-down (see biological evolution, such a pesky thing that turned out to be...).
Re:Project Cybersyn: Socialism Through Cybernetics by blahi on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @09:57AM (#12643816)
It's totally the same. USPS should adopt flat structure because Valve does it.
Re:Project Cybersyn: Socialism Through Cybernetics by norea-armozel on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @10:19AM (#12643996)
Horizontal management is not what I'm talking about. But please do try to stuff words into my mouth. ;)
Re:Project Cybersyn: Socialism Through Cybernetics by blahi on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @10:36AM (#12644133)
You have 2 accounts commenting about the same thing? Not cool.
Re:Project Cybersyn: Socialism Through Cybernetics by norea-armozel on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @05:18PM (#12647982)
Huh? No.
Re:Project Cybersyn: Socialism Through Cybernetics by blahi on Thursday October 06, 2016 @02:41AM (#12650654)
Then why do you reply to comments directed towards somebody else and act like I was talking to you?
Re:Project Cybersyn: Socialism Through Cybernetics by norea-armozel on Thursday October 06, 2016 @11:47AM (#12653425)
Because I saw the comment in the thread and since I made the grandparent comment that means I can see it? I know this might be a shock but I'm going to comment on your comment just as well if I think it's dead wrong or interesting. Don't like it? Then don't post comments as they're not private. But trying to concoct some conspiracy theory isn't going to garner anything close to a friendly conversation.
Re:Project Cybersyn: Socialism Through Cybernetics by blahi on Thursday October 06, 2016 @12:08PM (#12653610)
I suggest taking a step back, reading the comment thread again and taking some of your own advice.
Re:Project Cybersyn: Socialism Through Cybernetics by norea-armozel on Thursday October 06, 2016 @03:05PM (#12655143)
I suggest you stop throwing out baseless accusations and apologize? Wild idea, I know!
Re:Project Cybersyn: Socialism Through Cybernetics by blahi on Friday October 07, 2016 @06:05AM (#12659412)
I have nothing to apologize for. I have a conversation with somebody who compares apples to oranges and you come and say "i didn't say anything about apples, why you stuff things in my mouth?". Well, don't put your mouth in the wrong places or it WILL get stuffed. We even have a saying exactly about this where I'm from, albeit it involves other parts rather than your mouth. Too bad it doesn't translate.