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Re:Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence by secfirstmd on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @04:48PM (#12639347)
I don't buy this argue...Open Whisper Systems managed to not roll over and they are only less than half a dozen people...
Re:Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence by hirsin on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @04:54PM (#12639388)
It's easy to say with confidence "These 6 people that I know well and represent are OK losing their jobs when you fine my company out of existence".

It's much harder to say "I will defy you and in the process cost 10k+ people their jobs without them having any say or knowledge of this".

Re:Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence by slantedview on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @11:43PM (#12641412)
> I will defy you and in the process cost 10k+ people their jobs without them having any say or knowledge of this

There's no way the govt. would do anything more than skewer (or attempt to) a few sacrificial lambs for violating a gag order. There's no political win otherwise.

Re:Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence by wcummings on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @05:59PM (#12648306)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/11/yahoo-nsa-laws...

"The US government threatened to fine Yahoo $250,000 a day if it refused to hand over user data to the National Security Agency, according to court documents unsealed on Thursday."

"The size of the daily fine was set to double every week that Yahoo refused to comply, the documents show."

Two years ago

Re:Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence by ddalex on Thursday October 06, 2016 @07:02AM (#12651456)
Such a fine can be challenged in open court, no? Or is there an order by a secret court preventing Yahoo challenging the fine in a regular court?

How do you defend yourself from secret orders issued by secret courts that forbid defending yourself? What is this, mafia or the government ?

Re:Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence by wcummings on Thursday October 06, 2016 @08:32AM (#12651870)
Yahoo challenged it in FISA court, not open court.

"Yahoo took its case to the foreign intelligence surveillance court, also known as the Fisa court, which oversees requests for surveillance orders in national security investigations. The secretive Fisa court provides the legal authorities that underpin the US government’s controversial surveillance programmes. Yahoo lost its case, and an appeal."

Re:Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence by jonny_eh on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @04:50PM (#12639360)
Devils advocate: They have less to lose.
Re:Yahoo scanned customer emails for US intelligence by nickpsecurity on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @07:05PM (#12640366)
Advocate for reality: they don't mean shit in bigger scheme of things since virtually nobody uses them. So secret groups put less effort into them. Yahoo, Gmail, Lavabit, various IM's... all were in the Snowden leaks as SIGINT-enabled through taps, black bags, or "FBI coercion." If Whisper got that important, I think we'd see bad stuff happen to the company or Moxie.

So, enjoy the added protection from nation states of low uptake if you're using it. :)