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Re:Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data by kenOfYugen on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @11:16AM (#12636161)
What about Vuvuzela? Haven't thoroughly examined it, but it focuses on metadata-privary and -relative- scalability.

web: https://vuvuzela.io/

repo: https://github.com/davidlazar/vuvuzela

paper: https://davidlazar.org/papers/vuvuzela.pdf

slides: https://davidlazar.org/slides/vuvuzela-sosp2015.pdf

Re:Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data by feklar on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @12:08PM (#12636545)
Paper conclusion says the cost of running Vuvuzela is pretty high per month, so you would need a benevolent millionaire to make it happen.

As for signal what every prosecutor wants is metadata to show the court that user A was in communication with user B. The actual contents of the messages aren't important especially in a conspiracy case and user B is an informant, their word against yours plus metadata showing you communicating is good enough.

Besides forcing Signal to keep this metadata in the future, I wonder if they can just obtain it themselves by watching all traffic on their federated servers and timing it to discover communication networks.

Re:Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data by nnn on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @12:21PM (#12636643)
The cost of running Vuvuzela is dominated by bandwidth, and the paper used AWS prices to estimate the cost; purchasing IP transit directly would lead to about an order of magnitude reduction in costs (still non-trivial, of course).
Re:Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data by ryanlol on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @12:52PM (#12636942)
Order of magnitude? 1Gbit on amazon costs 22k/month. Even an order of magnitude cheaper sounds pretty damn expensive, two orders of magnitude still isn't "cheap".

It's really easy to underestimate how big of a ripoff EC2 bandwidth pricing is.

Re:Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data by gnopgnip on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @01:50PM (#12637583)
A 10gbit unmetered server can be leased for under $3k a month. 1Gbit can be under $300 a month depending on the hardware.
Re:Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data by nickpsecurity on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @09:13PM (#12640953)
1Gbit in Chattanooga, TN cost $350 a month. You gotta buy some servers and maybe a colocation fee. Way less than $22,000 a month. Actually, while I was looking that up, a recent press release says they're deploying 10Gbit to homes for $299 a month. Things may have improved on business side, too. :)
Re:Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data by eatbitseveryday on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @01:26PM (#12637322)
> 1Gbit on amazon costs 22k/month

Is this 1 gigabit of accumulated traffic, or sustained bandwidth guaranteed for an entire month?

1 TiB of accumulated bandwidth at DigitalOcean costs me $5/month. I am unaware of what sustained rates are given that tier of pricing, however.

Re:Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data by ryanlol on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @01:38PM (#12637452)
1Gbit/s for a month, 328.5 terabytes.

On the expensive end you'd be looking at around $600 for such at $NOT_AMAZON, and on the cheap end you'd get it for "free" because a plenty of hosts have excess bandwidth.

DO doesn't separately charge for BW or enforce any limitations AFAIK.

Re:Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data by Ar-Curunir on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @11:57AM (#12636469)
There's also an updated, more distributed and thus (maybe) more scalable project by some of the same authors:

https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/943

Re:Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data by AndrewKemendo on Tuesday October 04, 2016 @12:21PM (#12636635)
Obfuscation is one approach, but it typically gets cracked pretty quickly or gets bogged down in trying to improve SNR.