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Re:90 Cents of Every 'Pay-For-Performance' Dollar for CEOs A... by brianwawok on Friday September 30, 2016 @12:32PM (#12613494)
And the obvious developer question is:

If developer A can increase the value of your product by 1 million dollars, but developer B can only increase the value of your product by 100k.. why isn't developer A worth 900k (or at least 500k) more than developer B?

The big challenge is measurability. Stock price going up is easy. Profits going up is easy. An app being 1 million dollars better? No idea what that even means.

Re:90 Cents of Every 'Pay-For-Performance' Dollar for CEOs A... by sbov on Friday September 30, 2016 @02:54PM (#12614470)
Assuming you can even measure this. How do you arbitrarily assign value produced by a dev vs produced by marketing vs produced by company synergies (could the dev really create 1 million in value without all those other people?).

I've long felt that the best devs should be building tools for other devs. The lower in the product pipeline the better, because that's where they can affect the most people, but it seems impossible to measure when you're talking about hard numbers.

E.g. in a large enough organization, if a good dev can make all your other devs even 1% more efficient, the value they just created will blow that $1 million figure out of the water. That dev producing "$1 million dollars in value" for your product owes much of that value to the devs that are creating tools for them to use, among other things.

Re:90 Cents of Every 'Pay-For-Performance' Dollar for CEOs A... by dikdik on Saturday October 01, 2016 @01:16AM (#12616601)
The same line of thought can be put to CEOs. How do we know a CEO was responsible for a big bump in stock prices? Maybe the marketing team hit gold this year, the developers/engineers put out something truly game changing, or the entire market is just on an upswing and the company is doing better in spite of itself.
Re:90 Cents of Every 'Pay-For-Performance' Dollar for CEOs A... by peeters on Friday September 30, 2016 @12:37PM (#12613529)
Yep, and then the follow up is just as difficult...is this dev not delivering value because she's not a good dev, or because those above her aren't giving her opportunities in high value projects?
Re:90 Cents of Every 'Pay-For-Performance' Dollar for CEOs A... by brianwawok on Friday September 30, 2016 @01:14PM (#12613748)
"Am I a bad CEO or does my company just stink"
Re:90 Cents of Every 'Pay-For-Performance' Dollar for CEOs A... by marcosdumay on Friday September 30, 2016 @02:16PM (#12614181)
Who is the one person in charge of making the company not stink?
Re:90 Cents of Every 'Pay-For-Performance' Dollar for CEOs A... by Uhhrrr on Friday September 30, 2016 @03:18PM (#12614618)
It's true that they could theoretically fire everyone, but practically speaking? They inherit the employees, culture, customers, vendors, and physical plant. It's (remotely) possible that Marissa Meyer is the world's best CEO, but she chose to play against a stacked deck when she went to Yahoo.
Re:90 Cents of Every 'Pay-For-Performance' Dollar for CEOs A... by marcosdumay on Saturday October 01, 2016 @11:17AM (#12618186)
Every new CEO in a big company seems to decimate the employees anyway. Why none fires the right 10%?

Yes, you have a point, but getting on a failing company and failing does not reflect as bad as succeeding on such a company would look good. The only negative contribution Yahoo gave to Marissa Meyer CV was that badly managed data leak that is making every news.

Re:90 Cents of Every 'Pay-For-Performance' Dollar for CEOs A... by kamaal on Friday September 30, 2016 @01:31PM (#12613858)
In some cases, but in many cases its easy to see who is contributing above whom.

The problem really is at the level of a programmer politics is at play, given a whole lot of more number of people fight for fewer resources.