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Re:Not Just Any Old Geek by coldtea on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @10:30AM (#12597904)
>The stuff you did in software 20 years ago has absolutely nothing to do with the stuff that's being done today. Like holly shit most people weren't even using source control back, unit testing and automated testing in general was SciFi, it was done by QA departments if you were big enough to do it.

That stuff a competent graybeard knows already.

You don't think they disappeared in 1990 and re-appeared magically today, or that they didn't kept up with the times during their career, right?

In addition, they would know all the solid stuff -- the things programmers before the internet had to learn the hard way, and lots of today's dilettantes lack.

And you must be very young (20 something?) if you really believe that "the stuff you did in software 20 years ago has absolutely nothing to do with the stuff that's being done today". That's simply not true -- and triply not true for 15 years ago.

Re:Not Just Any Old Geek by rubber_duck on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @11:00AM (#12598151)
I mean if you were a good dev in the 90s chances are right now you're in some senior architect/management/consultant position. If you're competing for the same jobs as 20 something devs then you've probably screwed up somewhere in your career.

I started programming in late 90s but not professionally until 2006 I think, this was probably the late phase of transition to internet as a dominant factor in computing - so I think it gave me enough perspective as to how things changed, plus talking to older developers, reading stuff online and on the forums I know we've come a loong way as an industry.

Re:Not Just Any Old Geek by coldtea on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @11:22AM (#12598356)
>I mean if you were a good dev in the 90s chances are right now you're in some senior architect/management/consultant position. If you're competing for the same jobs as 20 something devs then you've probably screwed up somewhere in your career.

Or you just don't like management / like programming?

Re:Not Just Any Old Geek by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @12:09PM (#12598840)
My last two jobs I got hired for, I said while interviewing that it was my explicit career goal to never become a manager.
Re:Not Just Any Old Geek by coldtea on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @01:58PM (#12599780)
Yeah, I had some chances, but never liked the role of the pointy haired boss.

On the other hand, I don't like having to suffer stupid enterprise project managers either, though in my line of work it's better than the norm (more startup-y -- heck, we are at 100 people or so and our founder/boss still codes like crazy, same for the CTO).

I think the ideal for our kind of persons is having your own company -- either an one person one, or a bigger outfit but with someone else handling the marketing and finance parts. You get to both program and chose what and how to deliver.

Re:Not Just Any Old Geek by codeonfire on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @11:47AM (#12598612)
Typical ageist bullshit. Your argument is if someone is good at something then they are probably not doing it anymore. Newsflash, you were moved out of dev because you have some issue. Most people avoid "architects" which is code for cranky bastard who can't be fired but is likely breaking lots of stuff in the codebase and generally making things bad for the devs of all ages.
Re:Not Just Any Old Geek by cunac on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @12:10PM (#12598858)
I guess latest code review didn't go well ?
Re:Not Just Any Old Geek by pmoriarty on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @11:37AM (#12598515)
"I mean if you were a good dev in the 90s chances are right now you're in some senior architect/management/consultant position. If you're competing for the same jobs as 20 something devs then you've probably screwed up somewhere in your career."

Not everybody's interested in climbing the corporate ladder or in architecture, management, or consulting. Some people are content to be senior engineers.

"we've come a loong way as an industry"

The industry has certainly changed a lot, but if you keep your skills up to date, that's not going to be an issue.