I dunno the Denver and Portland trains as cheap and fun urban areas sailed a few years ago (the cheap part). I'm waiting to see what the next rad yet cheap city is... Nashville maybe?

I've been really impressed with Richmond, VA. The tech scene is small, but pretty healthy. It's not my favorite weather, but it has four seasons, which is a plus. Great restaurants (some DC restaurant concepts get tested there first).

I haven't spent much time in Nashville, but I've only heard good things from friends that moved there after college.

Kansas City. Nashville has been a hotspot for back office outsourcing from the Bay and NYC for years.

Yeah, all the californians moved to Portland and caused the housing prices to sky rocket.

Just back from Boulder. Could live there and work there. Denver is like a typical blue collar town, but Boulder has that utopian walkable thing that techies crave so much. The bookstores in Boulder are incredible.

Weather was great this time of year at least.

Boulder house prices are probably as high as East Bay in California at this point.

Colorado is full thank you to move somewhere else and transform some other state into california.

You could try Europe, where people have figured out that it's possible to live with lots of other people and still be pretty happy.

This "OMG! Other people! The horror!" mentality is part of the reason why places like LA (and Boulder, in Colorado) get so expensive in the first place. If you do density right, it keeps prices down, and requires less driving because you can put a lot of smaller businesses in the middle of dense areas and have them be successful, and also walk/bike to them. It requires a substantial rethink of our zoning though.

Working remotely in parts of Portugal and Spain is a recipe for happiness and early retirement (speaking as a US citizen). I can't imagine wasting so much take home pay on CA living costs; you'll never be able to retire or own a home outright under those conditions.

As a young Portuguese immigrant in California, I would selfishly ask you not to share this recipe too widely ;)

Places like Portugal - and Italy, where I spent most of the last 15 years - would certainly be helped more than harmed by people moving there with high-paying jobs and paying into the local economy.

That is probably true up to some extent. I just don't want to the country (Lisbon, in particular) becoming an amusement park for tourists (in the style of Barcelona).

He was talking about living there and working remotely. This is very different from the "let's go hang out and drink for a week" kind of person.

Loved visiting those places, but could never live there. Last time I went people were smoking in pairs in the grocery store. WTF?

You're welcome to pool resources with like-minded individuals, purchase all property that has been developed or is planned to be developed in Colorado, and prevent it from being used by or sold to anyone else.

Until then, the entire state is not your backyard, thankfully.

And it should go without saying, but there's no natural right for things around you to remain exactly like they have always been. Although you do, of course, have a natural right to free speech to grumble about how they change.

Try Minnesota. We're not dicks!

I have my suspicions

Native Washingtonian.

We're also full.

Native? Which tribe are you from?

Here's the Merriam-Webster definition in case you don't know what native means.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/native

Is there a reason you raised the issue of race? Does my race matter? If so, I'd just LOVE to see you explain why.

Your race doesn't really matter, no. But neither does your native-born origin. You don't get to lay an exclusive claim on the arbitrarily defined geopolitical unit on the basis that you happened to be born there.

Except you wrote:

>> Native? Which tribe are you from?

Then you wrote:

>> You don't get to lay an exclusive claim on the arbitrarily defined geopolitical unit on the basis that you happened to be born there.

Why won't you just tell the truth: you don't like it when some people lay an exclusive claim to a geographical unit on the basis that they were born there, but you're fine when other people do it, provided YOU get to make the rules a la: "Native? Which tribe are you from?".

BTW, there's a word for what you're doing. It starts with H.

It was a rhetorical question to invite further discussion. Your assumptions about where I wanted the discussion to go from there are just that, assumptions.

And no, I don't believe that Native Americans have such rights, either. But since you sounded like you believe that you do, it was a comparison that practically begged to be made.

Are you that guy from the UK? I think we've had this conversation before.

No, I'm a guy from Russia who lives in US. But I'm sure you had that conversation before - it's not exactly uncommon :)