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Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by technofiend on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @11:09AM (#12590165)
>THERE IS NO ESCAPE. Unless you do what they themselves say you should do if you do not agree with the terms: don't use their services.

Or as so many others have called out in the thread - you get legislative relief.

Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by smokeyj on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @11:34AM (#12590359)
But if you have a database of the entire population and can correlate relationships in data - what exactly does this legislation look like? "Ok Zuck, here's all my data. But don't run a `SELECT *` because that would violate my privacy".

The solution here is obviously open-source and protocol based mediums. Proprietary social networks exist to extract data and sell ads. But let's ignore that and give politicians more power to regulate internet services as a whole. I'm sure the German government would love that.

Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by TazeTSchnitzel on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @11:48AM (#12590469)
> But if you have a database of the entire population and can correlate relationships in data - what exactly does this legislation look like? "Ok Zuck, here's all my data. But don't run a `SELECT *` because that would violate my privacy".

Yes, there are laws restricting how and when data can be processed.

That someone has the ability to do something bad does not mean they cannot be restricted from doing it by the law.

Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by technofiend on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @12:04PM (#12590616)
>But if you have a database of the entire population and can correlate relationships in data

That's exactly what the legislation constrains - Zuck's select * from where user_id = 'technofiend' returns 3 rows not hundreds or thousands, or zero if I've opted out of data collection entirely.

You can't simply throw your hands up and say "Well Facebook has a billion users too bad so sad if they collect data you don't like" because there are in fact plenty of laws elsewhere that restrict their activity. It's entirely possibly to tell them to keep their grubby hands of my bits and their cookies out of my browser. And yes if that means I have to pay for sites I use for free now, so be it. I can't help but think that'll drive content towards quality anyway.

Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by smokeyj on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @12:39PM (#12590906)
Adopting an alternative to Zuckernet is the exact opposite. Continuing to hand your life's data to Zuck is to throw your hands up. Begging your politician for a little privacy from Zuck when strong encryption exists is to throw your hands up.

People care enough about privacy to complain about it but not enough to do anything. I don't have much sympathy for them.

Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by tjl on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @01:55PM (#12591525)
One problem is that they collect "shadow" profiles of people who aren't even on the service. If someone who has your contact info is on the service, they'll start a profile of you based on that. Plus, there's many web sites that are connected to Facebook and send info back to it without you even knowing about it, just by having a Facebook share button on the page. It's very difficult to avoid having any of your data on Facebook's servers.
Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by TeMPOraL on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @10:30AM (#12597897)
Ah, shadow profiles again.

Maybe the real problem here is that people talk about "your data". There's no "your data" in a shadow profile of you. There's data about you. I have a feeling that talking about the data as if it belonged to the person it refers to makes people reach weird conclusions.

I'm having problems with articulating clear examples, but I don't like the very concept of ownership of facts - whether they're algorithms or phone<->name associations.

Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by tjl on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @01:00PM (#12599312)
In my mind, it's one thing if a Web site that I go to learnt about me based on my interactions and a whole another thing when people start correlating data across sites. That's what Facebook is doing with its stupid buttons on nearly every news site.

Amazon knows a great deal about my buying habits but that makes complete sense. Facebook knowing what articles I read from the Globe and Mail and the CBC is something else.

Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by Nursie on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @12:45PM (#12590958)
Getting your democratic government to legislate protections is doing something.
Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by technofiend on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @03:53PM (#12592544)
Short of using tor I'm not sure anything else really can work. You can dump all the cookies, block all the javascript and use all the VPNs you want but ad companies are working very hard to break through those protections. And until there is a law forbidding them to do so, they'll just keep doing it.
Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by zigzigzag on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @02:56PM (#12592058)
We're talking about WhatsApp here right? Which already uses strong encryption?
Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by thebakeshow on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @03:51PM (#12592525)
What does that have to do with privacy? Just because the data is encrypted doesn't mean it can't be harvested by FB
Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by zigzigzag on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @03:59PM (#12592604)
WhatsApp is end to end encrypted. Facebook/WhatsApp can't see the contents of the messages. It's the best technology available at the moment - there are no non-toy systems that also scramble metadata.
Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by lmm on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @10:18AM (#12597791)
WhatsApp claims to be end-to-end encrypted, but since it's closed-source, who knows what's actually going on.
Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by Nursie on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @11:49AM (#12590480)
Yes, just because you can do something with someone's data doesn't mean you should be able to do so.

That this sort of restriction is largely missing from US data laws is one reason we see so much fuss about data centre locations and 'safe harbour' provisions.

Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by bikamonki on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @01:33PM (#12591373)
Except I do not trust my government. Do you?