Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany

Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by wolfgke on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @10:34AM (#12589850)

> Yes, it is voluntary, but it would be socially alienating not to be on that service.

On the other hand: Do people who care about privacy very much really get along well with people who don't and force you in subtile ways to use such a messaging service? I rather think it's the completely different mindset of these two classes of people that is socially alienating and the message service is just a symptom (I believe I know what I'm talking about since I think I am one of these very privacy-caring people).

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Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by yoghurt on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @11:37AM (#12590389)

We're different people, but I think my friends are just not aware of how their rights are violated and how important privacy is in a digital world. Mainstream media also rarely publishes content related to this issue, so most people have no clue about what happens in this field. Pretty hard to make good judgements if you don't know the details.

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Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by pjc50 on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @10:58AM (#12590048)

Some of the people who care most about privacy are also very social: activists and politicians.

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Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by wolfgke on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @11:22AM (#12590271)

For activists I think you are biased by the fact that by definition you only perceive activists that are rather social. I, for example, consider myself as very acivist, but also very unsocial.

For politicians my perception is different: one might be tempted to call them privacy activists, but only for their own privacy (for obvious reasons), but not for passing laws protecting the privacy of the ordinary citizen.

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Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by eropple on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @11:56AM (#12590530)

> I, for example, consider myself as very acivist, but also very unsocial.

Can you square that circle for me and explain what you're doing to be an activist while eschewing the social sphere?

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Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by wolfgke on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @12:43PM (#12590935)

> Can you square that circle for me and explain what you're doing to be an activist while eschewing the social sphere?

I don't eschew the social sphere, but I strongly lack charisma/am socially rather clumsy and rather the kind of person who has difficulties forming friendships, thus I'm not very social.

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Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by eropple on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @03:15PM (#12592228)

OK--so how are you, as you define it, an "activist"? Activism, to my mind, requires social interaction and engagement. I'm curious as to what I'm missing.

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Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by type0 on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @05:23PM (#12593349)

There's plenty of "activists" trying to develop encrypted messaging systems, blogging about privacy rights etc, and they are not all that social.

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Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by reitanqild on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @03:55PM (#12592559)

Let me help here:

There is a whole lot you can do without one-to-one social face-to-face interaction and engagement.

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Re:Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp User... by reitanqild on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @10:46AM (#12589956)

I for one do.

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