I agree woth this. I and my friends always wondered how so many Asians get accepted to top UK universities (with very high English-language requirements), when they can barely speak a word of intelligible English.

Now I have a close friend from China, and the mistery is solved: others are doing their exams/essays/assignments for them.

Keep in mind though, this is likely a huge generalisation (not all Chinese cheat and other nationalities cheat as well), and I put more than half of the blame on the universities themselves (they earn a lot of money accepting these kinds of students), but long-term, it really dilutes the value of this education in my eyes.

>>this is likely a huge generalisation...

Ya think? Sorry man I wouldn't be profiled as a cheater like that due to race or citizenship.

I have nothing to say about profiling individuals but cheating appears to be a huge issue among international students. Per the WSJ [0]:

    Public universities in the U.S. recorded 5.1 reports of alleged cheating for every 100 international students, versus one report per 100 domestic students

Faculty singled out Chinese students in particular.

[0]: http://www.wsj.com/articles/foreign-students-seen-cheating-m...

I live in China. I have not made any effort to learn about plagiarism or impersonating people at exams in the four years I've been here. I know one Chinese person who sat an English language proficiency exam for her cousin, another whose Bachelor's thesis was almost entirely plagiarised. I met a Canadian guy who did a Master's degree in econometrics at Tsinghua (top 3 university in China). Apparently plagiarism was rampant.

On a more anecdotal level one of my fiancee's friends was dating a guy who sold SAT answers for a while.

I have a couple of friends who teach at international high schools here in Shanghai. It takes quite a long time to get through to the students that plagiarism is not okay and is taken seriously.

By the way no one brought up race in this thread until you did.

That's interesting - I'm surprised to hear so many first hand accounts.

If it is widespread it's especially unfortunate considering there's already some controversy around the high numbers of asian applicants.

Btw, I only mention race because it is a central topic of the article.

I'm sure others were cheating as well, but it wasn't as blatantly obvious as with those Chinese who didn't even speak English. So I'd say being fluent in English is a good way to avoid being profiled this way.

Wow a tad racist eh? How about this, I wonder how whites get in to top schools as they have lower GPAs, lower SAT, lower activities, etc. than their asian counterparts. I put more than half the blame on the universities and their "DIVERSITY" BS.... Long term it really dilutes the value of education in my eyes...

Strong username to post content ratio.

Are you using n-grams or ?

Three times I have been in the situation where the interview candidate was not the one answering questions.

Twice we hired someone based on the phone interview and it was someone else who showed up.

The third time it was someone reading interview answers off a chat client window.

I'm mostly annoyed because it reduces the value of the phone screen and requires more face to face interviews.

How about a video call then?

How did you know it was someone else on the phone? Did you remember the voice? Just curious...

I worked in India and also went through several CS training programs there.

Indians cheat. A lot. It is just a different culture. Students in three different groups would turn in the exact same solution to a coding assignment, and they'd all get the same grade. I was baffled at first, then furious, and finally just learned to laugh about it, while understanding that they were only screwing themselves by not learning the material.

However, it did mean that the training programs would push out a ton of students that did not know a thing about programming, and definitely should not be in the industry. But it is understandable in a place like India where a software engineer can make a lot more money and earn far more respect than many of the alternatives.

Witnessed it firsthand in grad school on a few occasions. Instructor momentarily leaves during an exam and the Indians start asking one another the answers, thinking nothing of it. WTF! This was not all of them, there were many straight-up smart ones, but cheating wasn't uncommon.

I also saw this a great deal among Indians and citizens of neighboring countries when I was in grad school. It was a huge problem, so much so that the Dean sent out a letter about it. Without specifying nationalities, but everyone knew who was implicated.

I was friends with some of them who engaged in this. After being straight up asked for help during one exam, I warned them not do it, and that this behavior would get them kicked out of school here, but it didn't matter. Most were very smart and talented, and really didn't need to cheat. But they did anyway. Cultural thing, I guess.

The problem is, these idiots eventually get jobs, continue to know nothing, and build a resume of projects. Then they become Project Managers.

Quality-checking the contractors a consulting agency is feeding you feels like the perfect case for a Starfighter-alike "bar exam"—much moreso than the actual Employee-Employer matchmaking that Starfighter tried.

While I was studying at University there were quite a few instances where particular groups of student got caught cheating in various forms. It seems some people want to get ahead at all costs because they seem to have a lot of pressure from their family or peers to make it in a particular discipline. This is something foreign to me, as I chose what/where I wanted to study, free of these particular pressures.