I don't necessarily disagree, what I don't understand is the parent comment's use of the word "need" in "Both need to be permitted". It makes me think there is something nullable types can do that non-nullable types can't do, and I'm just not sure what that is. Something like "it is fine to permit both" would make sense to me.

I guess maybe it's because in a language with no value types (like anything on the jvm), using Optionals everywhere requires a lot more objects to be allocated, so in allocation-sensitive code it might make more sense to use nulls instead.