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Re:Sad reality: It's cheaper to get hacked than build strong... by Bartweiss on Friday September 23, 2016 @10:09AM (#12564713)
The problem is that this isn't about saving money overall. Users pay the primary costs of the company's security errors, so it's a moral hazard problem.

Right now, companies that lose data don't pay any costs at all until afterwards, and those costs are usually minimal. The reputational damage is reduced because no one knows until (well) after the breach, and any financial info lost is consumer credit cards rather than corporate accounts. Yes, users sometimes get free identity theft monitoring, but those services are quite cheap to account for the fact that they don't actually work.

More specifically, this is asymmetric information and therefore the market can't adjust for it. When Yahoo loses my data, will my passwords be salted and well-hashed? How could I possibly know in advance? Consumers aren't making privacy and risk choices, they're using the internet as best they can and getting repeatedly burned for it.

If you want a clear contrast, companies are enormously concerned about "whaling" attacks, and are working hard to prevent them. Those attacks take corporate money in real time, so the costs are properly factored in. Moral hazard is inherently about broken cost-benefit measurement.

Re:Sad reality: It's cheaper to get hacked than build strong... by mahyarm on Friday September 23, 2016 @07:47PM (#12568710)
The real problem is most payments & identity are pull vs push and the username is the password. If they were push, then there wouldn't be customer payment information to steal in the first place. All that would be taken would be personal shipping addresses, and those are mostly public as it is already.

Same with social security numbers and identity in general.

To solve the root cause in this case although was decided to not be good by the infrastructural organizations. Eating the fraud is cheaper than putting up barriers to payments.

If fraud liability was moved %100 to banks, payment providers and governments, we would see the problem fixed pretty quickly.

Re:Sad reality: It's cheaper to get hacked than build strong... by smallnamespace on Friday September 23, 2016 @10:29PM (#12569164)
> The problem is that this isn't about saving money _overall_.

It hasn't been shown to be otherwise either though.

> companies that lose data don't pay any costs at all until afterwards

Because we don't know what they should pay. We need reliable research that nails down how much a security breach costs society, and until have it, it's impossible to provide companies with the right incentives.

Note that the cost should depend on the circumstances. For example, if Google or Facebook has a major breach, it would probably have a bigger impact (on a per-user basis) than a small service.

If you just impose a uniform per-user cost for data breaches, then you're essentially giving larger services an unfair competitive advantage.