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Re:What the North Korean internet really looks like by djschnei on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @08:23PM (#12553388)
You just proved my point... that's force and coercion. "They don't shoot you, they just steal or money!"
Re:What the North Korean internet really looks like by Frondo on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @09:17PM (#12553608)
Whatever tax you owe isn't your money. It's the government's money, and by refusing to pay it, you're stealing from the rest of us. That's the government enforcing our property rights when it uses force to reclaim what's ours.
Re:What the North Korean internet really looks like by djschnei on Thursday September 22, 2016 @09:47AM (#12556762)
Oh, so they have claim to a percentage of my labor? without my consent? That sounds like something...
Re:What the North Korean internet really looks like by Frondo on Thursday September 22, 2016 @12:16PM (#12557894)
Your parents/legal guardians consented for you when you were a minor and could not make such an agreement.

When you reached the age of majority, you gave consent by continuing to live here.

(And if you think consent requires words, and not merely actions, try wordlessly walking out of a convenience store with a package of slim jims you didn't pay for.)

Re:What the North Korean internet really looks like by djschnei on Thursday September 22, 2016 @01:22PM (#12558459)
I find it endlessly amusing you're hypothetical for non-verbal consent is literally theft.

However, I agree; taxation is necessary for government to exist. I'm also not an anarchist. I see taxation as a necessary evil, but I refuse to not call it what it is. Like the case with most (all) necessary evils, I consider it a moral obligation to advocate for it's conservative application. So, sorry you find it offensive that I want the government to steal less of your labor. I hold no grudges towards people that would like to see their labor partitioned towards public works to whatever extent they see fit, but I maintain coercion is immoral.

Lastly, the "just move argument" is a real gem. "Don't like police brutality? just move." Talk about letting your privilege show...

Re:What the North Korean internet really looks like by Frondo on Thursday September 22, 2016 @01:32PM (#12558543)
Your hypothetical refusing to pay your tax is also theft; you are stealing from the rest of us.

I'm glad you agree that taxation is necessary for government to exist. Some day, I hope you'll come around to doing away with silly word games like "it's theft". Because it isn't.

Re:What the North Korean internet really looks like by djschnei on Thursday September 22, 2016 @02:11PM (#12558839)
If, as you say, I am merely being charged for services, what do I do If services are being offered which I morally oppose and don't want to be part of? I am still forced to (coerced) to pay for them (theft) regardless of my usage. For example, I am vehemently opposed to our current handful of military actions. I don't want my money going towards innocent loss of life or actions that promote it. You're answer is to simply uproot my life and move?

What do you think would happen if we could allocate our tax dollars personally however we see fit? With access to different public "services" being granted accordingly?

Re:What the North Korean internet really looks like by aperrien on Thursday September 22, 2016 @11:02AM (#12557259)
If you don't want to consent to paying for the benefits of living in a particular society, then don't be part of that society.
Re:What the North Korean internet really looks like by djschnei on Thursday September 22, 2016 @01:23PM (#12558469)
"Don't like police brutality? Just move!"