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Re:MacOS Sierra by sdegutis on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @03:56PM (#12542794)
This is the first version of Mac OS X that I'm 0% excited about.

Literally none of the new features[1] are useful to me, considering:

  I don't have or want an iPhone
  I don't have or want an iPad
  I don't have or want an iWatch
  I don't have or want an iCloud account
  I don't have or want an Apple Pay account
  I don't have or want an iTunes Music account
  I don't use or need Photos.app
  I don't use or need Messages.app
  I don't like speaking to my computer
  I don't watch TV while doing something else on the computer
  I don't use the computer enough for tabs to be useful
Am I really the only one who hits all these bullet points? Am I part of a dying demographic, who doesn't use/need/want any of this fancy Star Trek futuristic life, who's okay with using a credit card and organizing photos via folders, and manually typing stuff into google, and taking notes on a physical note pad with a physical pen?

[1] https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/macos-sierra/id1127487414?mt... (click "...More")

Re:MacOS Sierra by HSO on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @05:10PM (#12543461)
> Am I part of a dying demographic, who doesn't use/need/want any of this fancy Star Trek futuristic life

Yes, it's called "older people". Just kidding… :-)

TBH, I've never understood this kind of post. Nobody cares if you (or I for that matter) are "excited" about an OS upgrade. It's an OS upgrade!!!

And actually, I think you're expressing something very mainstream, not a "dying demographic" at all. Tech fatigue is a thing.

Re:MacOS Sierra by h1d on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @06:04PM (#12543796)
How hard is it to understand, "It used to be interesting but lately it's boring, what's up with them?" feeling? Besides what good is an OS upgrade, if it isn't exciting while it has a risk of breaking things and possibly changing your workflow?
Re:MacOS Sierra by Esau on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @06:10PM (#12543827)
And the need to get people "excited" is what leads to the kitchen-sink bloat of operating systems.
Re:MacOS Sierra by sdegutis on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @06:13PM (#12543838)
It used to be that every time you get an OS X upgrade, you can expect the OS to be faster, more stable, crash less, and have more actually useful features, both for developers and casual users. Those days ended with Snow Leopard. Of course Apple isn't charging for MacOS née Mac OS X née macOS anymore, because it's not worth the money anymore, and they know it. Now it's just an auxiliary product to their mobile devices. It's a supplement.
Re:MacOS Sierra by h1d on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @02:21AM (#12545840)
> expect the OS to be faster, more stable, crash less, and have more actually useful features, both for developers and casual users

Haha... that is such a wishful thinking these days... Jobs nearly made me feel that's actually possible, but lately, it became a dream again.

iOS is where all the cash is but for people who both use iOS and macOS, both are equally important but Apple is no longer good at keeping mind shares.

Perhaps what Apple did in the last 5 years could've been done in a few years with Jobs with "a few more things" .

Re:MacOS Sierra by kbenson on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @04:20PM (#12543006)
Well, if you use your computer as a sort of "dumb device" or single (or few) purpose instrument (typewriter, internet terminal, etc), then there's only so much innovation they are likely to make in those areas over a period of time. It's natural for them to also look at integrating with other devices and providing new functionality. Obviously not everything will interest you, and it's possible some releases will just happen to have few changes that hit the particular areas that you care about.
Re:MacOS Sierra by sdegutis on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @04:35PM (#12543135)
"Integrating with other devices" is not their goal. Selling desktops, laptops, monitors, phones, tablets, watches, keyboards, mice, trackpads, ear buds, and to a lesser extent subscription accounts, that's their goal.

If they truly wanted to provide useful integration, they would make Android and Windows Phone devices first class citizens just as much as the iPhone. They're first and foremost a hardware company. Even their Mac's OS is free! Because they get money from the Mac, not the OS.

There's plenty of useful innovations they could still make that doesn't require them to focus on up-selling me new hardware, if innovating was still their goal. They're using a Star Trek future as their marketing ploy, and it's working scarily well.

I guess the one upside you could say is that they're probably not selling your data and/or profile to advertisers. So at least they have that going for them.

Re:MacOS Sierra by kbenson on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @04:56PM (#12543338)
> "Integrating with other devices" is not their goal. Selling desktops, laptops, monitors, phones, tablets, watches, keyboards, mice, trackpads, ear buds, and to a lesser extent subscription accounts, that's their goal.

Obviously, but offering better integration (even if only with their own ecosystem) is how they are trying to sell more right now.

> There's plenty of useful innovations they could still make that doesn't require them to focus on up-selling me new hardware

I didn't say there weren't, just that it's not likely to advance beyond a certain level in a certain time period. This is about feedback and learning what ideas survive in the market. To their credit, Apple is fairly good at coming up with radical leaps (or, at least implementing those leaps on a mass scale)[1], but they are fairly bad IMO at listening to whether they are working out well in practice (Google has the opposite problem, they so aggressively remove failed ideas that the few people that liked them feel betrayed, and express it loudly). Throwing a few hundred million dollars right now at word processing, or the browser, or any particular thing and then ignoring it is probably not as efficient as a few tens of millions spread out over years, just because there's only so much you can do to advance a field in a short period.

> I guess the one upside you could say is that they're probably not selling your data and/or profile to advertisers. So at least they have that going for them.

Apple ran (runs?) their own advertising service for mobile apps, iAd. I'm not sure the status currently.

That said, Google isn't selling your profile or data to advertisers. That makes zero sense for them to do, and they probably have quite a lot of safeguards to make sure absolutely the bare minimum of information about an individual an ad is served to makes it back to the advertiser (preferably nothing). This isn't because they are stalwart defenders of privacy, but because it's in their best interest to not give away the data that they make their money from. I trust them to act in their self interest.

Re:MacOS Sierra by ralfd on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @06:39PM (#12543989)
> Apple ran (runs?) their own advertising service for mobile apps, iAd. I'm not sure the status currently.

They shut it down quite a few months ago.

Before that iAd was pretty restricted because of Apples privacy stance: https://9to5mac.com/2015/07/14/iad-user-data-privacy-policy/

"Former iAd exec leaves Apple, suggests company platform is held back by user data privacy policy"

Re:MacOS Sierra by kbenson on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @06:50PM (#12544039)
> They shut it down quite a few months ago.

Yeah, I looked it up before I posted because my information was fairly old, but I found some conflicting info when I did. Some sites state it was just the developer integration that allowed developers to advertise their own apps (as an update to the story). I'm not sure if Apple still runs an advertising framework or not, and wasn't willing to dive much deeper when the first few sources seemed ambiguous and nothing official seemed to clarify.

Re:MacOS Sierra by qq66 on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @06:45PM (#12544021)
How would integration with Windows Phone be "useful integration" compared to other efforts when Windows Phone has 1% market share?
Re:MacOS Sierra by santaclaus on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @06:34PM (#12543964)
Bigger core updates are in the pipeline. A much improved HFS+ replacement is in the works at Apple. Now only if they'd update the OpenGL drivers and support vulkan...
Re:MacOS Sierra by lj3 on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @08:21PM (#12544474)
Yeah, but they claim to have been working on APFS for years. It reminds me of Windows Longhorn (vista). They had been promising WinFS for years and, in the end, they canceled it and doubled down on NTFS.
Re:MacOS Sierra by bdcravens on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @04:59PM (#12543364)
> I don't use the computer enough for tabs to be useful

Fine, but why are you posting on a forum principally made of developers?

Re:MacOS Sierra by jventura on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @06:54PM (#12544058)
> Am I really the only one who hits all these bullet points? Am I part of a dying demographic, who doesn't use/need/want any of this fancy Star Trek futuristic life, who's okay with using a credit card and organizing photos via folders, and manually typing stuff into google, and taking notes on a physical note pad with a physical pen?

Nope, I'm still using OSX Mavericks and will keep on using it as long as it is useful for me. I may eventually upgrade if I start developing for iOS, and only because you can only install the latest XCode versions in the latest OSX versions.

Re:MacOS Sierra by robbyt on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @04:40PM (#12543196)
I agree. Apple needs to take a page from Android, and start breaking up these apps and distributing them outside of the OS so they can deliver new features faster.

Why do we have to update the entire OS just to get a new version of the photos and messages app?

Re:MacOS Sierra by robotresearcher on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @05:15PM (#12543497)
> Why do we have to update the entire OS just to get a new version of the photos and messages app?

The new apps drive adoption of the rest of the OS. This reduces the support cost of the old OS and spreads security updates.

Re:MacOS Sierra by flowersoldier on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @04:57PM (#12543345)
I agree. I use my iMac to run my music studio and none of these features appeal to me in the least. I suppose users who own an iphone or iwatch may be excited about this update, but I don't own either of those devices. Most of these features seem cosmetic or serve to lock current users into the apple ecosystem.Personally, I'm not updating.
Re:MacOS Sierra by agumonkey on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @06:04PM (#12543793)
What did you like in previous version of Mac OSX ?
Re:MacOS Sierra by iptables on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @04:11PM (#12542923)
yes
Re:MacOS Sierra by poleapple on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @04:28PM (#12543083)
I apologize to you for Apple for not catering to your specific needs and wants when rolling out their newest version of OSX. I'm so sorry that you consider none of these new features exciting nor useful. Personally, I agree with you to an extent - I prefer taking notes on individual parchment paper with a Ticonderoga #2 HB pencil that I sharpen with my $400 hand crafted knife. Heck, I don't even use digital photos or credit cards. I am 100% satisfied with the polaroid camera that my father left me before he passed, and I always prefer to barter with the root vegetables that I grow in my back yard (100% organic of course) as a means of payment.
Re:MacOS Sierra by tnone on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @05:39PM (#12543645)
Maybe it wouldn't be such a dud if there was the possibility of using any of this outside the walled garden of filling your house only with Apple products.

Once upon a time apple.com advertised their OS by showing off what you could create with it and how it was based on open technology. Now it's just about how the computer and its flock of gadgets can entertain and do your thinking for you, if only you give in to the mothership.

Re:MacOS Sierra by justinsingh on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @07:06PM (#12544112)
So in other words: now it's just about making life easier for you.

Sounds good to me!

Re:MacOS Sierra by sdegutis on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @04:41PM (#12543198)
I'm far from a hipster. The pens I use are apparently called "uni-ball", which I got from Walmart, which is also where I got my $3 little pocket notepad.

But I'm also not willing to spend large amounts of money to buy cool new gadgets that don't actually improve my quality of life at all, despite whatever Apple's keynotes will say.

Re:MacOS Sierra by poleapple on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @05:01PM (#12543381)
This is free.
Re:MacOS Sierra by h1d on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @06:10PM (#12543826)
Did the GP post thinking this is a paid upgrade?
Re:MacOS Sierra by xrisk on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @04:36PM (#12543140)
Ticonderogas make for fine pencils though.
Re:MacOS Sierra by poleapple on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @05:02PM (#12543394)
Yeah, I'm only half sarcastic. Polaroid cameras are also fun to play with.
Re:MacOS Sierra by r00fus on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @06:53PM (#12544055)
Apparently good naval vessels as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Ticonderoga