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Re:Microsoft is using Minecraft to vie for kids’ brain space... by rocky1138 on Friday September 16, 2016 @12:10PM (#12515010)
If you're a developer looking to fight this, I'd suggest taking a look at Minetest, which started out as a fully libre open-source clone of Minecraft but has really grown into its own project in its own right.

The core engine is C++ and mods are programmed using Lua.

http://www.minetest.net/#about

Re:Microsoft is using Minecraft to vie for kids’ brain space... by projektir on Friday September 16, 2016 @10:10PM (#12518750)
That's actually pretty amazing... given all the weird problems with modding Java Minecraft I wish the community would switch to something like this instead.
Re:Microsoft is using Minecraft to vie for kids’ brain space... by thesimpsons1022 on Friday September 16, 2016 @12:30PM (#12515171)
and why do you want to fight it?
Re:Microsoft is using Minecraft to vie for kids’ brain space... by shmerl on Friday September 16, 2016 @01:51PM (#12515862)
Using closed stuff for education is a bad idea to begin with. Especially when there are open alternatives. I'm very surprised many in the education sphere don't get it. Windows, Windows everywhere and so on.
Re:Microsoft is using Minecraft to vie for kids’ brain space... by fixermark on Friday September 16, 2016 @02:30PM (#12516178)
Can you explain why that is? Most people I know who have anything like a computer background from school learned the standard MS Office suite; they then went on to jobs where those skills were useful because their companies also used the MS Office suite. What's the advantage of teaching fundamentals using software the student is less likely to see again?
Re:Microsoft is using Minecraft to vie for kids’ brain space... by shmerl on Friday September 16, 2016 @03:52PM (#12516792)
It's a catch 22 lock-in perpetuated by MS. It should be broken and education system is as good place as any to do it. MS hooked everyone on it, and arguments like "what's the advantage of not being hooked on it, since everyone is" aren't helping.

Luckily some actually get it and use Linux in schools. But in my experience it's not common (in higher education chances are better).

Re:Microsoft is using Minecraft to vie for kids’ brain space... by fixermark on Friday September 16, 2016 @04:27PM (#12517095)
I think you're seeing familiarity with open source tools as an end. If the goal of education is to teach people fundamentals of computer use that are independent of software, the use of open source in that equation is orthogonal to the goal. It's easier to just use what everyone else is using.

I think the "it" some "get" is not seen as a necessary "it" for the purposes of education, and "Using closed stuff for education is a bad idea" is begging the question.

Linux is 25 years old now. The GPL is older than that. The ecosystem around them has had plenty of time to prove its worth as a superior solution for educational tools; it mostly wallows around in a sea of mutually-incompatible "maybe-we-could" and "what-if-we-tried" initiatives without the kind of clout behind them that make institutions believe the solution's providers will be around in five years and the institution won't be stuck owning 100% of the tool they don't really want to support. It turns out most educators and students would rather have a working solution guaranteed by someone with money in the game than a tool they can fully modify, evidence seems to suggest. The advantage to the MS ecosystem is that when it doesn't work, you can take it to multiple independent companies who will fix it for you.

Re:Microsoft is using Minecraft to vie for kids’ brain space... by shmerl on Friday September 16, 2016 @04:39PM (#12517166)
> "Using closed stuff for education is a bad idea" is begging the question.

It's quite clear that depending on some vendor who can dictate what to do for the education system is a bad idea. And entities like MS clearly have that power now to some degree (or strive to gain that power). So using open source in education field is a natural way to avoid that. As I said, some actually get it enough to act on it. I don't think anyone thinks that it's good to have that dependency in general, most just don't go anywhere further than realizing that it's not good.

Re:Microsoft is using Minecraft to vie for kids’ brain space... by jtrtoo on Saturday September 17, 2016 @02:22PM (#12521687)
How does using open source actually avoid that?

Isn't all software opinion, regardless of origin?

Re:Microsoft is using Minecraft to vie for kids’ brain space... by badlogic on Friday September 16, 2016 @04:47PM (#12517211)
Because Minecraft Education Edition is not scriptable/modable unlike Minecraft for Desktop or Minetest.
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Re:Microsoft is using Minecraft to vie for kids’ brain space... by HelloMcFly on Friday September 16, 2016 @01:05PM (#12515467)
Sorry, maybe I'm dense: what exactly are you afraid of being extinguished here?
Re:Microsoft is using Minecraft to vie for kids’ brain space... by ocdtrekkie on Friday September 16, 2016 @01:41PM (#12515779)
It doesn't have to make sense. If someone posts about Microsoft someone else has to comment with a twenty year old business strategy from a guy who hasn't worked there in a decade.
Re:Microsoft is using Minecraft to vie for kids’ brain space... by rocky1138 on Friday September 16, 2016 @01:49PM (#12515855)
I'm sorry, if I wasn't entirely clear. It's not so much about being anti-Microsoft or even anti-Minecraft. I love Minecraft and the new Microsoft is really good as compared to the old one.

But, there's a lot of value in having an open source and libre edition of anything which started out or is maintained as a closed-source, proprietary system.

Consider: Firefox versus IE, Linux versus OSX or Windows, or LibreOffice versus Microsoft Office.

With Minecraft, there is no opportunity for developers to really get on-board to build stuff with them. The source is closed and Mojang is AWOL when it comes to the developer API.

Minetest, on the other hand, is LGPL and is freely available.

Re:Microsoft is using Minecraft to vie for kids’ brain space... by ocdtrekkie on Friday September 16, 2016 @02:25PM (#12516125)
Perhaps a better approach would be to simply say that if people are then looking for something a bit above and beyond, in terms of programmability, this is something they can look at, rather than talking about "fighting" Microsoft.
Re:Microsoft is using Minecraft to vie for kids’ brain space... by thesimpsons1022 on Friday September 16, 2016 @01:28PM (#12515679)
mine craft or education I guess
Re:Microsoft is using Minecraft to vie for kids’ brain space... by dump121 on Friday September 16, 2016 @01:47PM (#12515840)
They way this term is thrown around, curious if the posters ever understood the strategy or even read the linked wiki page.