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Re:We Don’t Simply Get Remote Jobs, We Join Remote Teams by ryandrake on Friday September 16, 2016 @10:02AM (#12514036)
> The motto for this goes like 'teams work better if they are collocated, yada, yada'. The real reason is that managers want to feel in control (plus they want to drive away a lot of people by taking RW away).

Sorry, but I've got to be the party pooper in this thread. I have worked with teams over the years that indeed DO work better co-located, and who ARE more productive when forced to communicate in an open office environment, etc. Night and day difference. When not in that environment they reverted back to the ol' "do something in isolation, throw it over the fence, wait days for feedback, then iterate" mode. I will stress that not all teams needed co-location, but many absolutely did.

This whole thread needs to be filed under the category "different people/teams thrive in different environments", because right now it's a "remote Work is best for everyone" echo chamber.

Re:We Don’t Simply Get Remote Jobs, We Join Remote Teams by cephaslr on Friday September 16, 2016 @10:08AM (#12514079)
Fair enough, but I believe we can do a little better than "different people/teams thrive in different environments".

If its within team communication, and with slack/trello/github/standups and the team members are not speaking except every few days then thats an issue.

If its with external teams, then perhaps its an opportunity for self service api's or automation? I.e. let me query your api instead of having to meet with you. Understood that most cultures don't function this way but is there argument with the ideal?

Re:We Don’t Simply Get Remote Jobs, We Join Remote Teams by pault on Friday September 16, 2016 @01:54PM (#12515884)
I think coordination is the key. If someone with authority isn't willing to step up and make sure everyone knows what they're supposed to be doing, things will definitely slow to a crawl and people won't communicate until it's too late. And that team will do better colocated. But a good PM can make a remote team work just as well as a colocated team, in my experience. If you don't have that person, you're just leaving your efficiency up to chance (does the team get along; do they feel like working that day) no matter the work environment you choose.

Edit: I'm not sure "is willing to" is the right phrase. You have to have a brilliant PM, period. I've worked with bad PMs, no PM, and a few great PMs, and it really is night and day. A talented PM can make an organization sing.

Re:We Don’t Simply Get Remote Jobs, We Join Remote Teams by justindocanto on Friday September 16, 2016 @01:28PM (#12515671)
As somebody that remote works most of the time, I will stick my head out and agree that working side by side tends to be my most productive times with co-workers.

Working remotely is great for ones health. Co-working is best for synergy and communication.

It's all about the balance.

Re:We Don’t Simply Get Remote Jobs, We Join Remote Teams by resmote on Friday September 16, 2016 @10:27AM (#12514206)
> who ARE more productive when forced

The key word there is "forced".

Re:We Don’t Simply Get Remote Jobs, We Join Remote Teams by ryandrake on Friday September 16, 2016 @10:57AM (#12514420)
Yep. Some people default-to-productive, and others need guidance, coaching, "forcing", whatever you want to call it. It's almost as if different people have different motivations, work habits and communication styles!