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Re:The Circular Electron Positron Collider by jfoutz on Friday September 16, 2016 @01:47AM (#12512094)
I don't know if it matters that much, if there are direct results from the research itself. I mean, the World Wide Web worked out pretty well. I don't know if that would be a thing without CERN. There's lots of cool engineering that has to happen to build stuff at that scale. Maybe the age of cool side effects is over, but it seems like time and time again, we get great stuff.

NASA with smoke detectors and aluminum cnc machining. Cracking the enigma gave general purpose computers. Just trying to do something no one has done before forces discovery of other cool stuff, independent of the actual research goal.

Re:The Circular Electron Positron Collider by semi-extrinsic on Friday September 16, 2016 @05:42AM (#12512857)
The touchscreen was also invented at CERN, way back in 1973 for the SPS, as a solution to avoid having thousands of dedicated hardware buttons.

https://cds.cern.ch/record/1248908?ln=en

Re:The Circular Electron Positron Collider by Natanael_L on Friday September 16, 2016 @08:37AM (#12513556)
Which touchscreen tech? Because there were touchscreens in the 1960:s using a pressure sensor on each corner of the screen.
Re:The Circular Electron Positron Collider by semi-extrinsic on Friday September 16, 2016 @11:56AM (#12514883)
This was capacitive touch (i.e. like on your smartphone).
Re:The Circular Electron Positron Collider by rubidium on Friday September 16, 2016 @09:51AM (#12513945)
Yang's point wasn't that there should be no large scale projects, just that they shouldn't do accelerators.

"Yang argues that high-energy physicists should eschew big accelerator projects for now and start blazing trails in new experimental and theoretical approaches."

Things like the IceCube project (https://icecube.wisc.edu/) come to mind as better (and cheaper) projects to pursue. They approach the particle physics questions from a different experimental viewpoint.

Re:The Circular Electron Positron Collider by mattheww on Friday September 16, 2016 @11:01AM (#12514452)
Experiments like IceCube answer different questions than accelerator based experiments. You couldn't, for example, measure the Higgs branching ratio to bottom quarks at IceCube. On the other hand, you can't measure high-energy neutrinos at the LHC. Both types of experiments have their place.
Re:The Circular Electron Positron Collider by rubidium on Friday September 16, 2016 @11:40AM (#12514747)
Totally hear you. But Yang's whole point was accelerator measurements are not what we should be focusing on for the next "x" new big experiments. I tend to agree.
Re:The Circular Electron Positron Collider by stephengillie on Friday September 16, 2016 @02:12AM (#12512192)
What new technologies have been developed at CERN, for the LHC?
Re:The Circular Electron Positron Collider by captainmuon on Friday September 16, 2016 @02:48AM (#12512292)
I'm more involved in the analysis / software side of research, and somebody who is working on hardware can probably tell you more about technology spin-offs. In fact, I'd like to hear about them, too.

One thing that has been pioneered at the LHC is grid computing. Basically we were doing cloud computing before it was cool. Of course, the requirements of science and industry are different, and we were quickly overtaken in scale by Amazon, Google, etc.. But still, particle physicists were among the first to connect different data centers across the world to a unified resource. You just say "do this computation on this dataset" and the system finds the optimal place to perform the calculation without copying too much data around, and delivers the packaged up datasets back when it's done.

Many spin-offs are small improvements of existing technology, giant leaps are rare. An example of an incremental step are improved solar panels [1] using LHC vacuum technology. There is also a lot of work done on superconductors and magnets that is cutting-edge, but I don't know if it has found application yet.

We have a lot of hardware development that is really interesting, but too far away from consumer electronics to be used as a spin-off, like radiation hard electronics, or high precision particle detectors. Maybe some of this will go into medical devices.

We used to be early adopters of machine learning (e.g. neural networks) and pattern recognition techniques, but have been utterly surpassed in these fields by industry recently, and are only starting to import modern techniques, like deep neural networks.

[1]: http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/breaking/2012/03/16/cern-spi...

Re:The Circular Electron Positron Collider by exergy on Friday September 16, 2016 @05:01AM (#12512734)
I work at CERN. We work on a cooling system that has found uses on satellites and also the International Space Station. Now, it would be wrong to say that CERN invented this. More that there was sufficient need at both CERN and in satellites for such a cooling system. Does it have a use beyond High Energy Physics? I'd like to think yes. It is impressively stable, thermally speaking.

Another example is a colleague working on lasers with crazy narrow beams.

Re:The Circular Electron Positron Collider by dnautics on Friday September 16, 2016 @04:57AM (#12512724)
The superconductor stuff is persistent physics myth; commercial superconductors were largely developed for NMR spectrometers used by the petrochemical industry about a decade before superconducting supercolliders.
Re:The Circular Electron Positron Collider by jakub_h on Friday September 16, 2016 @02:21PM (#12516090)
Interesting, any references?
Re:The Circular Electron Positron Collider by dnautics on Saturday September 17, 2016 @07:33PM (#12523094)
http://www.nmr2.buffalo.edu/resources/edu/matr/40yearsofPNMR...

first superconducting NMR magnet was built in 1962, by a commercial NMR company (bruker). 1970 was the first commercial superconducting FT-NMR.

The first superconducting synchrotron was planned around 1974 (ESCAR) and wasn't completed. the SSC was first discussed in 1976. CEBAF is the first accelerator to actually deploy superconducting technology in any form... But its use is in the RF chambers (the walls of the rf chambers are superconducting which allows them to transfer energy by charge oscillation more efficiently to the electron beam), not in the bend magnets.

Re:The Circular Electron Positron Collider by dnautics on Saturday September 17, 2016 @07:37PM (#12523109)
also I believe the food industry was very interested in NMR. There's stuff like "nmr analysis to estimate fat content in cream cheese" sort of stuff in the very old (60s) literature. This shouldn't be surprising, as the way arnold Beckman got really wealthy (and got his name on pretty much every science building) was by inventing the pH meter, which was snapped up by the florida citrus industry.
Re:The Circular Electron Positron Collider by lloeki on Friday September 16, 2016 @02:32AM (#12512251)
New alloys, supraconductors for the magnetic rings, the devices, architecture and software to collect, transmit, store and analyse a volume of data whose size and throughput is unheard of...

But it would be more exact to say "developed at CERN for the LHC"

Re:The Circular Electron Positron Collider by stephengillie on Friday September 16, 2016 @03:12AM (#12512399)
Thank you for the correction.