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Re:Old Geek Jobs: fighting against ageism in the industry by ska on Thursday September 15, 2016 @12:42PM (#12507629)
" Maybe I can do the same stuff, but slower."

Or hopefully likely you'll do the same stuff, but smarter.

The amount of time and energy you put into something shouldn't be nearly as important as how much progress you make. Unfortunately, good metrics are hard, so some people and companies push for "activity" because you can roughly measure it.

Re:Old Geek Jobs: fighting against ageism in the industry by ArkyBeagle on Thursday September 15, 2016 @01:49PM (#12508213)
Losing the hair shirt mentality is half the battle. If you're my boss, and you have the hair shirt mentality, one of us will suffer and chances are it's not me...

In a job, I want to do one thing - to get as close as possible to defect-free, correctly operating code, on time and under budget. If you're not into that, I'll find someone who is.

Good metrics are impossible ( for now and for the forseeable - they may be congruent with the set of techniques for proving programs correct ) so it comes down to trust.

Re:Old Geek Jobs: fighting against ageism in the industry by crispyambulance on Thursday September 15, 2016 @02:39PM (#12508631)
OK.... what the heck is a "hair shirt mentality"? Dictionaries say it means someone who is ascetic-- but I don't think that's what you mean?
Re:Old Geek Jobs: fighting against ageism in the industry by ArkyBeagle on Friday September 16, 2016 @05:47PM (#12517603)
I'm nearly afraid to answer that.

There is masochism in the world. I won't participate in your masochism if that's your thing.

A "hair shirt" is a garment ascetics wore for purposes of "mortification of the flesh." It's just masochism. It has unpleasant overtones.

An example is: everybody must chronically work 80 hours a week, as a sacrifice to the Tiki God, when the real solution is to sit down and figure out the best path forward.

It'd be fine if masochism were effective; I'd have nothing to say. It's just not. Fold the work better to get it done faster. There is always a way.

Some thing are just inherent Manhattan projects and will consume your life, at least for a while. These are much less likely than one might think.