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Re:New app restriction might kill Titanium and Air on iPhone OS by tumult on Thursday April 08, 2010 @04:19PM (#1250768)
Doesn't this mean you now have to write every iPhone application directly in C and Objective-C? This doesn't make much sense. What's a translation layer? C preprocessor? What if I implement a language in the C preprocessor? That's not allowed? Ok, how much of the C preprocessor can I use? Is there a limited number of #defines before you start saying no? Do I have to provide my source code to you when submitting an app for approval? What if I implement an embedded language in C++ through operator overloading? Is that a translation layer? Is Boost a translation layer? Can I use Boost::Lambda?

The fuck? This doesn't make sense. What is a translation layer?

Re:New app restriction might kill Titanium and Air on iPhone OS by jrockway on Thursday April 08, 2010 @05:32PM (#1251052)
The solution is Android. Do you have JVM bytecodes? Great, your app is approved.
Re:New app restriction might kill Titanium and Air on iPhone OS by tumult on Thursday April 08, 2010 @07:59PM (#1251456)
My Nexus One is so laggy that I can't stand to use it anymore. It's just a huge pain in the ass scrolling around, resizing, etc. It's a slow turd, and the Android devs seem intent on bolting on more useless features rather than speeding up the user experience or fixing bugs. The first (and only) update for my N1 added more bugs than fixed.
Re:New app restriction might kill Titanium and Air on iPhone OS by jrockway on Thursday April 08, 2010 @09:57PM (#1251622)
Want some cheese to go along with that whine?
Re:New app restriction might kill Titanium and Air on iPhone OS by theBobMcCormick on Thursday April 08, 2010 @06:40PM (#1251251)
Actually, it's Dalvik bytcodes, but other than that you're correct.
Re:New app restriction might kill Titanium and Air on iPhone OS by jrockway on Thursday April 08, 2010 @07:19PM (#1251375)
The usual build process is generate .class files -> translate to Dalvik. So while the phone runs Dalvik "if you have JVM bytecodes", your app is going to work on Android.
Re:New app restriction might kill Titanium and Air on iPhone OS by theBobMcCormick on Thursday April 08, 2010 @10:13PM (#1251654)
You're right. I stand corrected. :-)
Re:New app restriction might kill Titanium and Air on iPhone OS by lux on Thursday April 08, 2010 @04:24PM (#1250781)
If Apple are serious about gaming, as they seem to be, they surely won't enforce a limitation that will kill tools like Unity. It will be interesting to see their clarification, but somehow I think we'll all be fine.
Re:New app restriction might kill Titanium and Air on iPhone OS by j_baker on Thursday April 08, 2010 @07:51PM (#1251445)
I suspect that this is just a poorly thought-out attempt to keep Flash off of the iPhone.
Re:New app restriction might kill Titanium and Air on iPhone OS by blasdel on Thursday April 08, 2010 @05:15PM (#1250984)
They really should have just let Flash CS5 apps fail in the marketplace, or just been very selective about quality when approving them.
Re:New app restriction might kill Titanium and Air on iPhone OS by dpnewman on Thursday April 08, 2010 @06:22PM (#1251203)
I wonder if apple loathes the idea of Appcelerator or others enabling developers to develop simultaneously for platforms outside of Apple. They probably like that it opens up development to more people - but they want total commitment to their devices.
Re:New app restriction might kill Titanium and Air on iPhone OS by tlrobinson on Thursday April 08, 2010 @04:20PM (#1250770)
Re:New app restriction might kill Titanium and Air on iPhone OS by ehnus on Thursday April 08, 2010 @04:48PM (#1250858)
Is this link mirrored anywhere? It seems to have gone down.
Re:New app restriction might kill Titanium and Air on iPhone OS by tlrobinson on Thursday April 08, 2010 @07:15PM (#1251364)
It's still there for me, but here's the text:

By now, most of you have probably seen or heard about Apple iPhone SDK 4.0 and a little hidden gem in their freshly minted 4.0 Terms of Services, notably 3.3.1: “Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited.”

It’s clear that products like Titanium, Unity3D, Ansca, MonoTouch and others are now a bit in question for iPhone 4.0+ with this language. We’re all trying to get our heads around what this means and trying to reach out to Apple to get clarification.

Hang tight, we’ll try and give you more information as we can figure it out from Apple. We don’t want to make any false promises or claims – and most importantly, we want to make sure we’re abiding by Apple’s rules.

Re:New app restriction might kill Titanium and Air on iPhone OS by proee on Thursday April 08, 2010 @04:13PM (#1250752)
this is bad new for appcelerator. Good luck guys!
Re:New app restriction might kill Titanium and Air on iPhone OS by theBobMcCormick on Thursday April 08, 2010 @05:08PM (#1250955)
I can't think of anyone this is good for.
Re:New app restriction might kill Titanium and Air on iPhone OS by tlrobinson on Thursday April 08, 2010 @07:16PM (#1251367)
Cocoa devs?
Re:New app restriction might kill Titanium and Air on iPhone OS by motvbi on Thursday April 08, 2010 @04:54PM (#1250890)
And MonoTouch, Unity3D. John Gruber has good write up on it.

http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/iphone_agreement_bans_flas...