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Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by Larrikin on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @11:29PM (#12503178)
I know that what the webcam captures is probably the least important thing a hacker can get but I do it because it is visible.

Protecting your privacy should NOT be weird and a sticker over your webcam is a very visible way of showing that to the public. When people ask why I do it, its a good opportunity to educate them on the capabilities of the US government, other nation-state actors, and hackers in general. If they don't believe me and haven't heard of Snowden its simple to show them images of Zuckerberg, the FBI director, and other in tech with taped over webcams to convince them.

John Oliver also did a special last year that showed that a lot of people don't really care about the government getting most of their personal information on their computer. But when they think that the government is getting naked pictures of them and their family they're a lot more interested and upset. Bringing up the fact that the government can see them nude in conversation scares a lot more people and they are more inclined to become more privacy conscious.

If you use one of the bookmark post-it notes, it makes it easy to remove the sticker and put it back when you're done with your video conversation.

Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by oAlbe on Thursday September 15, 2016 @04:21AM (#12504308)
> its a good opportunity to educate them

Am I the only one to receive disarming responses when trying to educate anybody over this matter? The vast majority of people (and when I say "vast majority" I mean everybody but two or three people tops, so far) I tried to explain things to don't care. All they have to say are things like "Where is your tinfoil hat?", "This is conspiracy theory", "If they want to spy us there's nothing we can do" and the never old "I have nothing to fear because I have nothing to hide."

Even when you provide material from authoritative sources you still risk being told "Bullshit, go figure who wrote this".

My laptop is black and I keep a piece of black electrical tape over it so it's mostly unnoticeable if you aren't close enough. I do this to avoid giving explanations because from my experience it is pointless.

Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by kriro on Thursday September 15, 2016 @07:01AM (#12504935)
"I have nothing to fear because I have nothing to hide."

The best comeback to this is usually asking if they have drapes/shades for their windows at home. I think I read that in a CCC guide to talking about privacy/security somewhere. At least that has lead to somewhat interesting discussions and the occasional moment of "you might have a point".

Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by kefka on Thursday September 15, 2016 @07:22AM (#12505054)
"I have nothing to fear because I have nothing to hide."

Cool. Now, can I have your wallet/purse? Also, get naked. I want to see what you're hiding under your clothes.

And you can forward your medical record, along with your business emails to me as well.

Because you have nothing to hide....

Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by cwkoss on Thursday September 15, 2016 @03:54PM (#12509289)
I like, "Mind if I read your text messages? Hand me your phone"
Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @11:42PM (#12503236)
I agree. It's more of a statement than a meaningful security measure.
Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by TheSpiceIsLife on Thursday September 15, 2016 @12:19AM (#12503381)
There should be a term for this.

Maybe something like 'security theatre'.

Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by majewsky on Thursday September 15, 2016 @07:34AM (#12505124)
"Security theater" is an established term, but usually refers to useless security measures implemented by organizations (companies or governments) to soothe the public (their employees/citizens/guests), rather than to actions of individuals onto themselves.
Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by TheSpiceIsLife on Thursday September 15, 2016 @02:35PM (#12508589)
Right. Sorry, it was sort of a joke. I've been told I'm not very good at them.
Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by djsumdog on Thursday September 15, 2016 @03:28AM (#12504065)
That webcam might have a microphone. Your laptop has one too. Neither have a little LED to tell if they're on (the one on most cameras isn't hard wired to the sensor. You can sometimes turn it off in the drivers). There's a microphone in your phone, in your tablet, your PS4 controller, your land line (why do you still have one of those?!), that USB gaming headset you left plugged in, your fitbit, your overpriced voice activated IoT refrigerator (Your out of milk; here are some Amazon ads for milk), and your watch.

The potential to listen to audio on unpatched, compromised devices, is a huge attack vector! And yet we tape up cameras.

Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by mrSugar on Thursday September 15, 2016 @04:12AM (#12504269)
The potential for burglars to get in through windows is a huge attack vector. And yet we lock our door.
Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by celticninja on Thursday September 15, 2016 @04:41AM (#12504389)
We never used to tape up cameras, now we do. Perhaps one day we will cover microphones or disable them even though we don't now.
Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by throwaway7767 on Thursday September 15, 2016 @07:08AM (#12504971)
I suspect most people who currently tape over their camera would do the same for their microphone if it was as easy. But there's no easy, quick way to do it that allows to re-enable it when needed.
Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by internaut on Friday September 16, 2016 @01:45PM (#12515820)
You just rip the mic/cam pair out with pliers and use an independent usb webcam when you actually need it.

Worked like a charm.

Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by fencepost on Thursday September 15, 2016 @10:30AM (#12506428)
Of interesting note: ThinkPads have (had?) independent mute, volume and microphone buttons with LEDs to indicate volume or microphone muting. It's clearly at least partially software or driver driven, because with Windows 10 microphone muting is no longer functional.

The warm and fuzzy feeling that discovery gave me is why my daily driver is still on Win7 since I almost always have both audio directions muted.

Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by Kadin on Thursday September 15, 2016 @10:50AM (#12506614)
The warm and fuzzy feeling should have gone away immediately upon discovering that it was not a hardware mute, but instead a software-defined feature... no?

I mean, if you can turn the LED off through software, it's really no better than the little menu bar icon that every other laptop has. If it were done all in hardware, that would be cool.

Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by djsumdog on Thursday September 15, 2016 @01:49PM (#12508212)
MSI laptops too. They have an Fn+Fkey, but when you use it, it disconnects the camera from the USB bus. It disappears from your device listings in lsusb/linux, or device manager on windows.
Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by pricechild on Thursday September 15, 2016 @10:35AM (#12506474)
Surely that leaves open the possibility Windows7 was always in control and if hacked, could lie to you?

The fact that Windows10 breaks it surely suggests it's a software feature?

Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by fencepost on Thursday September 15, 2016 @11:31AM (#12506983)
Yes, but....

There's a difference between "I can turn this off as long as the driver is properly installed and has not been hacked" and "I can't turn this off." While the second statement is abstractly true for both, the bar for some software silently and invisibly turning on the microphone is quite a bit higher if it also requires replacing or hacking the audio hardware drivers.

Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by jasoncchild on Thursday September 15, 2016 @01:14AM (#12503609)
Why does everyone strip down in front of thier computers?

When I'm done using my laptop I close it.

Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by umanwizard on Thursday September 15, 2016 @01:41AM (#12503719)
...do I have to spell it out for you?
Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by hacksonx on Thursday September 15, 2016 @03:07AM (#12504014)
Please spell it out for me. Seems being 0001 1001 years old hasn't opened up my mind to such basic concepts. Also, what about the front camera on my phone?
Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by narag on Thursday September 15, 2016 @03:42AM (#12504136)
Watching porn?
Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by listentojohan on Thursday September 15, 2016 @04:00AM (#12504228)
Also, the camera on your phone rarely points out towards the whole room.
Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by pshc on Thursday September 15, 2016 @04:12AM (#12504268)
Oops. I use a dock. Mine always does.
Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by jasoncchild on Thursday September 15, 2016 @09:22AM (#12505866)
Ah, yeah, edge-cases :)
Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by drbawb on Thursday September 15, 2016 @08:30AM (#12505507)
I don't use a laptop if I can avoid it. My personal workstation is right across from my bed, and it's powered 24/7 since it's acting as a file-server and game-server.

Given how everything is angled, I suppose a webcam infiltrator would have a perfect view of me sleeping.

Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by kaybe on Thursday September 15, 2016 @04:12AM (#12504270)
My room has 30 deg C in summer, which is a big incentive to be less than fully clothed.
Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by atheg33 on Thursday September 15, 2016 @03:29AM (#12504076)
> Why does everyone strip down in front of thier computers?

Personally, I only use my laptop when I am away from my office. And my office happens to be my bedroom.

Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by yardie on Thursday September 15, 2016 @10:40AM (#12506509)
> If you use one of the bookmark post-it notes, it makes it easy to remove the sticker and put it back when you're done with your video conversation.

My mother learned to do this from the IT Security team at her company. And I learned to do that from her. It simply never occurred to me that the Facetime camera, hidden on the MBP, can be turned on at anytime without the status light being activated. I keep a small box of those post-its in my go bag and share them liberally.

Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by badwolf on Thursday September 15, 2016 @01:20PM (#12507975)
Ditto this. I use the EFF webcam stickers. Probably nobody cares about watching my bearded face staring at a computer, true. To me though, it's a visible and constant reminder to keep privacy/security in the front of my mind.
Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by ulrikrasmussen on Thursday September 15, 2016 @03:42AM (#12504130)
I sympathize with your goals of raising awareness, but I think it is in general a bad idea to teach security measures which are only for show. If education is your goal, don't you risk teaching people the wrong threat model?
Re:FBI director: Cover up your webcam by aluhut on Thursday September 15, 2016 @03:50AM (#12504187)
It's not. I do the same thing. And it works better then I expected. People do this in my office too now and thy come back with questions regarding security that go further then this. This happens also because they are being asked why they do this. It makes them think. They ask themselves why they put tape on their cam but "hide" their crappy passwords under the keyboard and so on.

It is creating general awareness.