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Re:Scientists Have Found Another Species of Crow That Uses T... by M_Grey on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @09:11PM (#12502621)
Was it? Was the "Nazi ethical framework" actually a framework or just a conveniently half-assed set of pseudo philosophies? Take the "Aryan" concept or their racial "science"; just because someone claims to have a different ethical system isn't reason enough to accept on its face.

Questions I'd ask would be along the lines of questioning whether or not there were actual ethical principles at play, and if so what were they? I'm not sure that racial or national supremacy is really meaningful when you're not the person believing in it. "Race" for example isn't a particularly rigorous concept, so what ethical structures could you build around it?

Re:Scientists Have Found Another Species of Crow That Uses T... by felixschl on Thursday September 15, 2016 @02:06AM (#12503816)
Then again Hitler banned vivisection, introduced hunting restrictions, required animals to be under aneastetic for slaughter and there were plans to ban slaughter houses after the war altogether.
Re:Scientists Have Found Another Species of Crow That Uses T... by M_Grey on Thursday September 15, 2016 @09:39AM (#12505994)
I feel that only emphasizes how arbitrary and inconsistent any supposed "Nazi Ethics" were.
Re:Scientists Have Found Another Species of Crow That Uses T... by felixschl on Thursday September 15, 2016 @12:51PM (#12507708)
I know it was not a pleasant system to live in if you did not subscribe to it or fell out of luck and I am personally not fond of the extreme emphasize of race. I feel I have to state this because talking favourably of any aspect of the system is frowned upon.

Anyway, the system overall appears consistent to me: glorifying nature and culture. They have made advances with respect to animal-wellfare and protection of nature that we still benefit from today in that (a) they the raised the bar at the time and (b) the laws introduced then are still in place (when slightly modified).

They also introduced the first of a kind wellfare system for Germans and put a strong emphasis on family.

If you can understand and read German, this is a great documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vtfdfILdAw. It's funny just how much less tainted that documentary is then what we get to see to today.

I think there's a lot of hearsay about Nazi Germany and virtually anything you read on it is tainted either with hatred (99% of us) or fanatism (1%). I used to absolutely hate on the system, because no wonder, we are brought up in school to hate it just based on emotion and bad imagery. If you've read 1984 by George Orwell, going to history class in a way felt like the two minutes of hate. For example, there's plenty of evidence that Hitler did not want a war and tried his best to avoid it, yet in school it was already clear without a doubt that Hitler wanted a war for "world domination" or some none sense like that. Again, if you understand German, this is fantastic: https://www.amazon.de/1939-Krieg-Anlauf-Zweiten-Weltkrieg/dp... and a talk here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJuvWn7TFdY.

Re:Scientists Have Found Another Species of Crow That Uses T... by M_Grey on Thursday September 15, 2016 @01:55PM (#12508286)
I'm the wrong audience to try and slow-sell this to, but I appreciate the try.