> It's only kind of open source, and only partly.

That's a pretty misleading characterisation. You can browse the source code, submit issues, see what's being worked on, contribute PRs, and freely download and run your own instance of GitLab. A handful of enterprise features aren't open sourced.

GitHub in contrast is a black box.

> It's only kind of open source, and only partly

CE is a very large subset of EE. But yeah, maybe "open core" is a better term.

> except maybe the coding env, not sure what that means anyway

Koding integration (I haven't tried it yet) https://about.gitlab.com/2016/07/26/koding-and-gitlab-integr...

> if you've read the announcement

I assume you meant Github's announced features? Yeah, I think they're great.

> Github also has self hosting.

Costs $, Gitlab has free self hosting (updated parent comment)

I agree that it is better to call ourselves an open core company and our website and communication should reflect that https://about.gitlab.com/about/#stewardship If we're still using open source to refer to the organization somewhere please let me know.

We've had code review for many years now in GitLab. The coding env probably refers to our integration with Koding, an online IDE https://about.gitlab.com/2016/07/26/koding-and-gitlab-integr...

Where can I find a link about self hosted Github? Just curious to read about it.

It's github enterprise: https://enterprise.github.com/features#pricing

Thanks. I was unaware this existed. Looks like it was launched in 2011[1]. Somehow I thought that with their (presumably, from what little I've gathered over the years) complex infrastructure setup this would be hard or impossible. I wonder if they have an Enterprise team devoted to keeping up with a SaaS mainline and how much work they have to do, or if they made/make some decisions that make this (Enterprise) a fairly self-contained "it just works" sort of thing.

[1] https://github.com/blog/978-introducing-github-enterprise

Hi there - GitHub Enterprise definitely has a devoted team focused on building features tailored to the needs of customers requiring/requesting an on-premise solution, as well as making it entirely self-contained. We typically release a new version of GitHub Enterprise on a quarterly basis - you can see the latest additions we shipped with GitHub Enterprise 2.7 here: https://enterprise.github.com/releases/2.7.0/notes

We have companies scaling their GitHub Enterprise instance up to 25,000 users, and we also have a dedicated Enterprise Support team available 24/5 to resolve any technical issues.

Thanks for the answer straight from the horse's mouth! I'd often heard about companies storing their code on GH and didn't understand how they could get away with using a SaaS app available on a public cloud; now I know, they can just run a self-hosted version on their own private network.

I am not your target market, FWIW, but just a curious developer.

No worries - glad to provide the additional details!

We also recognize that having a SaaS solution like GitHub Organizations meets the needs of many companies (over 75,000 at last count), and our announcement of 2FA enhancements today is an indication of our desire to continue that approach.

Github Enterprise (their self hosted version) is quite expensive.