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Re:What If Urban Sprawl Is the Only Realistic Way to Create ... by stouset on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @03:28PM (#12500424)
I've never bought the "kid-friendly" argument. Kids grow up in cities in the US and around the world, safely and effectively. Do you have statistical evidence to the contrary? If I were to guess, it's not about being "kid-friendly", it's about being "parent-easy".

And kids, in my experience, hate suburbia, especially as they get into early teens and want some independence. It's like living in a giant protective bubble where there's nowhere to go and nothing to do, without having to have someone's parents cart you around.

Re:What If Urban Sprawl Is the Only Realistic Way to Create ... by joesmo on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @04:22PM (#12500923)
Totally agree. Up to about 10-14 or so (depending on the child), the suburbs are likely great for children. Afterwards, once they grow up a bit and start to form their own identity, I'd say they're actually damaging to a lot of teenagers. Without friends, without community, without anything to do, of course teenagers turn to drugs, cutting, and other maladaptive behaviors. Most are not permanently harmed, but I have no doubt that large numbers are. Yet, it doesn't seem like parents take this into account when choosing where to live (for the ones that have a choice, that is).
Re:What If Urban Sprawl Is the Only Realistic Way to Create ... by stouset on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @06:51PM (#12501883)
I also just realized/remembered that the leading cause of death for children, particularly teenagers, is automobile accidents.

Surely whatever dangers kids are exposed to in cities absolutely pale in comparison to the increased risk of car accidents caused by living in the suburbs, where virtually every outing requires a lengthy trip by car.

Re:What If Urban Sprawl Is the Only Realistic Way to Create ... by stouset on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @04:30PM (#12500978)
Not to mention obesity. My guess is a large component is from sitting inside all day because your friends are too far away to meet up spontaneously, and there's nothing to do outside anyway — things like parks, basketball courts, etc. are all far enough away that a parent has to drive.

Look around "kid-friendly" suburbia, and there's practically no kids outside.

Re:What If Urban Sprawl Is the Only Realistic Way to Create ... by 2AF3 on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @10:27PM (#12502888)
No kids outside, no sidewalks, no one walking around (without a dog) because there's nothing you can walk to, a bunch of unused baseball fields aka 'parks', the only place you will likely bump into your neighbor is the supermarket.

Then again, suburban dwellers aren't totally crazy because our large cities are also built for cars with space for people as a complete afterthought most of the streets in Minneapolis need a road-diet. In Minneapolis, we invented the mall (Southdale), which sucked all the retail life out the city then we added the 'Mall of America' just to finish the job, to add insult to injury we built preposterous skyways which divides what's left of our paltry street-life onto two levels.

I really should move to Europe: Paris, Milan, Utrecht, Munich, London, Budapest, Prague... heartbreaking beauty.

Re:What If Urban Sprawl Is the Only Realistic Way to Create ... by honkhonkpants on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @03:39PM (#12500525)
Early so-called streetcar suburbs are great for young people because they are scaled perfectly for bicycling.

What people are referring to on this thread is really exurbs.

Re:What If Urban Sprawl Is the Only Realistic Way to Create ... by WorldMaker on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @04:10PM (#12500808)
Yesterday's exurbs are today's suburbs. Today's exurbs are yesterday's small towns and neighboring counties. The sprawl keeps sprawling.
Re:What If Urban Sprawl Is the Only Realistic Way to Create ... by ocschwar on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @08:24PM (#12502448)
I live in one of those streetcar suburbs. It WOULD be great for kids, even though my house is a short walk from those oh-so-scary high rises, because that also makes it a short walk from a lot of things a kid wants to walk to.

The one catch is the risk of my kid being squished like a bug by idiot suburban drivers.