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Re:What If Urban Sprawl Is the Only Realistic Way to Create ... by oconnore on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @03:18PM (#12500339)
A city limited to buildings 5-7 stories tall can get moderately bigger than a city with buildings 1-2 stories tall, but the model will fall down if it becomes too popular.

Ultimately, NIMBYism and these sorts of height restrictions are a result of the city deciding that it doesn't want new people moving in past a certain point. I won't moralize that choice, but it is certainly different than the set of choices that led to a city like New York becoming so special.

Re:What If Urban Sprawl Is the Only Realistic Way to Create ... by krschultz on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @03:41PM (#12500536)
Most of NYC is 5-7 stories tall. There are pockets of residences taller than that, but large swaths of Manhattan are about that height. Brooklyn & Queens are almost entirely that height.
Re:What If Urban Sprawl Is the Only Realistic Way to Create ... by astrodust on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @03:51PM (#12500639)
Paris is also moderate density across the entire city, but there's also very little wasted space in comparison to most American suburbs.

One of the biggest differences in these types of cities is parking is very limited or located underground, the buildings push very close to the streets, there's no excess road or empty front yards, and the buildings are mixed retail/residential.

Those things make for consistently more livable environments. There's no long trek across an empty parking lot and a big lawn just to get from point A to point B.

Re:What If Urban Sprawl Is the Only Realistic Way to Create ... by WildUtah on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @04:19PM (#12500894)
Paris is moderate density? It's denser than London or New York. Similarly dense to Hong Kong. Twice as dense as Tokyo or Mexico City or Seoul. And four times as dense as the city and county San Francisco, not including surrounding sprawl.
Re:What If Urban Sprawl Is the Only Realistic Way to Create ... by astrodust on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @04:38PM (#12501019)
What I mean is the buildings themselves achieve higher density not through height but through aggressively crowding mid-rise buildings together. It also has a fairly uniform density compared to New York where you have skyscrapers in some parts and detached family homes in others. Staten Island pulls down the density average in a huge way.

The result is it doesn't feel nearly as dense as it actually is.

This is in contrast to Hong Kong, São Paulo, and other cities that achieve density through high-rise buildings. You're intimately aware you're in a big city when you're in the built-up cores of these.

Re:What If Urban Sprawl Is the Only Realistic Way to Create ... by oconnore on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @03:47PM (#12500613)
Yes and it's essentially impossible ($$$) to live with a short commute to where you work, even with one of the better transport systems.

Also, I think it's very unlikely that NYC would be where it is had they restricted buildings to 5-7 stories. As it is they don't have enough density.

Re:What If Urban Sprawl Is the Only Realistic Way to Create ... by Mithaldu on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @06:02PM (#12501581)
If the 5-7 model fell down inevitably, then Berlin and almost all german cities would be post-apocalyptic wastelands by now.
Re:What If Urban Sprawl Is the Only Realistic Way to Create ... by hx87 on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @03:43PM (#12500569)
I'm comfortable with that choice, as long as the NIMBYism is applied to business investment and money as well as people so that people don't have to move in to take jobs. If you don't want me, then you shouldn't get my money.