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Re:All New Amazon Echo Dot by slededit on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @12:59PM (#12498961)
There's important contextual information here. If I ask Alexa to tell me when the oven is preheated the next beep is probably going to be the oven.

If she's wrong it's not the end of the world. You don't need 100% accuracy for the solution to be useful. In fact you probably need to attend to whatever else was beeping anyways.

Re:All New Amazon Echo Dot by CodeMage on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @01:29PM (#12499273)
It's crappy UX.

1. You tell Alexa to let you know when the oven is preheated.

2. She hears the washing machine beep and tells you the oven is preheated.

3. You come back, find that the oven is still not ready.

4. You conclude it's probably the washing machine and go check it out, forgetting to tell Alexa to let you know when the oven is preheated.

Re:All New Amazon Echo Dot by WorldMaker on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @02:41PM (#12500006)
If you simplify it to just "An appliance beeped in {room}" you avoid that problem as the laundry and kitchen would be different rooms at least, in many cases.
Re:All New Amazon Echo Dot by doublerebel on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @06:50PM (#12501876)
Often in Europe they are in the same place. YMMV
Re:All New Amazon Echo Dot by WorldMaker on Thursday September 15, 2016 @02:26PM (#12508524)
Sure not every home is the same, but I was particularly responding to the concern about running to the wrong room first.
Re:All New Amazon Echo Dot by slededit on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @01:33PM (#12499317)
It's the same UX I have with my visiting aunt. We've managed with it just fine for a long time.
Re:All New Amazon Echo Dot by CodeMage on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @01:42PM (#12499410)
It's a case of different expectations. You expect an "intelligent machine" to get it right and you're exasperated when it gets it wrong.

It's kind of like saying that using a rotary phone UI on your smartphone would have been okay, because we've managed with it just fine for a long time back when we had rotary phones.

Re:All New Amazon Echo Dot by slededit on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @03:51PM (#12500640)
Even in a limited form its still something new that we've never had before. For people that lived alone there was simply no other option but to be nearby to hear the beep. The whole point of Alexa is to have something that can take over some of the things another human would normally have helped you with.

Perfect is the enemy of good.

Re:All New Amazon Echo Dot by csydas on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @01:41PM (#12499396)
What if the audio pitches were outside human detection and distinct enough patterns?
Re:All New Amazon Echo Dot by CodeMage on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @01:48PM (#12499459)
Then it would work better, although you could still get false positives from neighbors' appliances when your windows and their windows are open. That, however, is completely beside the point.

The point is that the audio pitches aren't outside human detection and don't have distinct enough patterns right now. Changing pitch and patterns would require appliance manufacturers' support, at which point you might as well go with mature, well-defined and well-implemented solutions, such as WiFi connectivity, rather than defining and implementing your own protocol based on audio pitches and patterns.

Re:All New Amazon Echo Dot by csydas on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @03:10PM (#12500267)
I understand that, but wouldn't a pattern generator that selects from a series of pitches and a larger series of patterns produce sufficiently unique enough items to ensure that the probability of overlap to be virtually null?

It's just a thought, like I'm against the whole thing in general, but it seems like this is doable without needing a lot of support

Re:All New Amazon Echo Dot by taeric on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @03:50PM (#12500631)
To be clear. I was not trying to say this is not something that should or could be done. Just that it wasn't as simple as it sounded. The "simple protocol" of listening for the correct beep is actually fairly complicated.
Re:All New Amazon Echo Dot by notwedtm on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @01:16PM (#12499167)
Maybe not the end of the world, but surely a fire hazard?
Re:All New Amazon Echo Dot by slededit on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @01:52PM (#12499501)
An appliance's timer is not a safety feature. They are required to have their own fault detection and automaticity shutdown.
Re:All New Amazon Echo Dot by JadeNB on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @01:37PM (#12499365)
Probably only for a false negative, rather than a false positive; and surely the probability of the former can be minimised by cranking up the sensitivity (and not being picky about what counts as a beep).