Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon
by jomamaxx on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @03:52PM
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" It would, in fact, set a precedent that whistleblowers will get pardoned."
The assumption here is that Snowden is a 'whistle blower'.
Yes - in some instances, especially with respect to his release of information regarding domestic surveillance - he is.
But Snowden released a lot of information that has nothing to do with domestic surveillance, for instance, how the US spies on Russia. This is not 'whistle blowing'.
Someone tell me how releasing that information does not constitute a crime?
I agree that he should be pardoned for his 'whistle blowing' activities. But not for the other stuff.
Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon
by zmanian on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @02:13PM
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I like these counter arguments
Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon
by okwhatthe2 on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @01:01PM
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slow clap
Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon
by sctb on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @01:59PM
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Please comment civilly and substantively or not at all. We ban accounts that continue to post this way.
Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon
by themartorana on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @02:04PM
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It's a little worrying that I should be concerned about the morale of TLAs who have been illegally drag-netting the entire world without repercussions.
Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon
by themartorana on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @02:22AM
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The down-votes are absurd.
Re:Edward Snowden makes 'moral' case for presidential pardon
by okwhatthe2 on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @01:01PM
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> This last point is the whole issue
Man, you guys are like scared little cretins, scared to leave site of the shore!
1. His celebrity could increase exponentially when he returned home and was available to do a press junket and book tour. He would appear on every morning talk show and radio show and then a tour of the campuses, libraries and malls of America. This idea is absurd on its face.
2. He had the resolve to make the initial release knowing he was destroying his life - it is clear this is a moral stance for him and the personal damage is done. If he came back to the U.S., expect him to be emboldened and wind up working for a lobby or a not for profit.
3. Lobbying dollars >> optics.
RE: US Government interests:
1. It would make the democrats look weak on terror and intelligence in the face of an upcoming and obscenely hotly contested election.
2. It would be bad for morale of our intelligence agencies - by no means a 'soft' consideration.
3. It would, in fact, set a precedent that whistleblowers will get pardoned.
This last point is the whole issue. Neither this administration, nor future administrations, is going to be particularly fond of intelligence whistleblowers. Financial and business whistleblowers is one thing - but in intelligence? That is another issue entirely. All politics aside, though we may, as citizens, want this to be precisely the case and hope that if we ever held political office we would feel the same way, it is just unlikely that this attitude is going to be found within the upper echelons of the intelligence or political community.
Unfortunately, the downsides are hugely substantial to those in power and the upsides are widely distributed among the general public. With a risk/reward-matrix like that, don't expect to see any pardons coming down for Snowden anytime soon.