The Nokia N95 was the first device that I remember that was more a camera with a phone than a phone with a camera

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N95

And having owned both a n95 and an iphone4, the n95 had a superior one

I found mine to be great for scenery but too much and too unpredictable shutter lag for social/people.

I recently bought a Huawei P9 for my daughter - it has a camera by Leica and that is also supposed to be a very high end camera, all for a fraction of the cost of a new iphone

> supposed to be a very high end camera

I'm curious, did it really turn out to be one?

to me it looks great, much better than what i have on my LG G4, but that is not an expert opinion.

I had a disaster with the iphone 5c, the phone kept breaking down from simple use and i had to fix it several times before i gave up; for me that killed any warm feelings for apple, with android you can at least try another vendor, without having to learn a totally different UI.

If anything, the Sony Ericsson t68i was the firing gun for convergence. I used to use it frequently - not just as a novelty. Would send them via mms where they'd then be published on my website - 140 chars, image, etc - my personal Twitter in 2002.

But either way, Apple didn't invent camera phones.

No one said they did. The suggestion is that the iPhone 4 was a watershed in cameras on smartphones. For a while the iPhone was considered the benchmark, and still is in many ways. As ever, the bigger number of pixels that other devices have does not necessarily mean better cameras. Optics play a huge role. Other mobile devices have caught up and some have exceeded the quality of the iPhones camera, but that doesn't change the fact that the iPhone 4 was an important milestone for smartphone photography.

> The suggestion is that the iPhone 4 was a watershed in cameras on smartphones

Whilst it was the first iPhone to use a contemporaneous sensor, rather than cost-saving with previous-gen, it was still only a 5MP OmniVision OV5642 at the same time as Sony was installing 8MP sensors of a similar backlit configuration.

Ironically Apple switched to using Sony's Exmor sensors for later models.

How? Did t68i even come with a camera?

It did, literally, come along with a camera. You plugged the camera in to the charging socket. The photos were terrible: not even 256 colours, resolution in the order of 200 x 300. I used it twice and packed it away forever.

It was an attachment that plugged in the bottom of the phone. I don't remember being particularly impressed by the quality of the photos. It was getting chucked in with the phone eventually