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Re:Mastercard sued for $19B in Britain's biggest damages claim by imglorp on Friday September 09, 2016 @12:33PM (#12463765)
So, the card gives rewards and charges higher merchant fees. The merchant raises prices to offset the fees, which offset the customers' rewards. Friction.

This is exactly like subsidizing farm, ranch, and oil but then raising taxes to pay for the subsidies indirectly.

Re:Mastercard sued for $19B in Britain's biggest damages claim by zardo on Friday September 09, 2016 @02:07PM (#12464658)
The rewards establish a system where everyone would be better off if no one uses reward cards, but the best strategy for each individual is to use them.

A clever application of game theory to leach wealth from the populous.

Re:Mastercard sued for $19B in Britain's biggest damages claim by joering2 on Friday September 09, 2016 @02:38PM (#12464907)
I don't get it why merchants should be responsible for covering it?

So the banks fight with each other offering more points/rewards/etc - meanwhile you pick up the tab.

I wish usgov would look deep into this criminal scheme.

Re:Mastercard sued for $19B in Britain's biggest damages claim by imglorp on Friday September 09, 2016 @03:41PM (#12465455)
At this point, the banks are kind of the usgov. Their interests are cojoined while not aligned with yours.
Re:Mastercard sued for $19B in Britain's biggest damages claim by rhino369 on Friday September 09, 2016 @04:53PM (#12465961)
There are benefits for the merchant too. Those rewards programs get people to spend more money because they get more points.
Re:Mastercard sued for $19B in Britain's biggest damages claim by nommm-nommm on Friday September 09, 2016 @05:08PM (#12466067)
https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/credit-cards/credit-cards-ma...

>One of the most often cited studies is one conducted by Dun & Bradstreet, where the company found that people spend 12-18% more when using credit cards instead of cash. McDonald’s reports its average ticket is $7 when people use credit cards versus $4.50 for cash.

>Those who were told they would have to pay by credit card were willing to pay more than twice as much on average as those who were told that they would have to pay by cash.

Re:Mastercard sued for $19B in Britain's biggest damages claim by zardo on Friday September 09, 2016 @06:10PM (#12466405)
That doesn't tell us about the effect of reward cards specifically though.
Re:Mastercard sued for $19B in Britain's biggest damages claim by nommm-nommm on Saturday September 10, 2016 @08:51PM (#12471571)
Reward cards and other benefits (such as extended warranties) encourage people to put spending on credit cards. Putting spending on credit cards causes you to spend more. Ergo "those rewards programs get people to spend more money because they get more points."

It's well established that paying with plastic over paper makes you spend more.

http://nytimes.com/2014/10/11/your-money/the-slippery-plasti...

>But the most surprising thing about these studies? When I tracked down many of their authors this week, I found that they, too, can’t quite kick the credit card habit. Why doesn’t Joydeep Srivastava, co-author of the Monopoly money study, use a debit card or cash?

>“Mostly because my credit card is giving me lots of miles,” he said

>Once upon a time Mr. Prelec, a professor of economics at the Sloan School of Management at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, refused to collect frequent-flier miles (or even coffeehouse stamp cards) because he thought they cluttered his decision making... Now, he doesn’t leave home without American Express card. Why not go debit-only? “The rational answer is, it’s the points,” he said, given that few debit cards offer reward points.

Re:Mastercard sued for $19B in Britain's biggest damages claim by pravda on Friday September 09, 2016 @01:21PM (#12464241)
>The merchant raises prices to offset the fees, which offset the customers' rewards.

If this were true, why would merchants care about merchant fees?

Re:Mastercard sued for $19B in Britain's biggest damages claim by gozur88 on Friday September 09, 2016 @07:15PM (#12466706)
They don't, really, as long as they're not disadvantaged compared to the competition. The people who are getting screwed are people who pay cash or use cards without rewards programs.
Re:Mastercard sued for $19B in Britain's biggest damages claim by pravda on Friday September 09, 2016 @08:31PM (#12467028)
Oh...I assure you they do! Why? Because these fees come out of profits.
Re:Mastercard sued for $19B in Britain's biggest damages claim by gozur88 on Friday September 09, 2016 @10:05PM (#12467293)
Merchants will charge more when profits drop. None of this is coming out of profits. They only time it comes out of profits is when competitors have some advantage that prevents the merchant from passing increases on to the customer.
Re:Mastercard sued for $19B in Britain's biggest damages claim by pravda on Saturday September 10, 2016 @02:46PM (#12470412)
If raising prices increase profits, then you're doing prices wrong! Raise prices!
Re:Mastercard sued for $19B in Britain's biggest damages claim by gozur88 on Sunday September 11, 2016 @01:43AM (#12472149)
The key is whether or not everyone else has to raise prices too.
Re:Mastercard sued for $19B in Britain's biggest damages claim by DenisM on Saturday September 10, 2016 @12:13AM (#12467659)
Demand is elastic, usually.
Re:Mastercard sued for $19B in Britain's biggest damages claim by bemmu on Friday September 09, 2016 @01:44PM (#12464439)
Raising your price leads to less sales.
Re:Mastercard sued for $19B in Britain's biggest damages claim by oh_sigh on Friday September 09, 2016 @06:02PM (#12466360)
Or like throwing your change in a bucket every day for a year, and then pretending like the money came out of nowhere when you cash it in once a year and blow it on something you wouldn't normally buy.