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Re:We’re in the Middle of a Data Engineering Talent Shortage by ThomPete on Thursday September 08, 2016 @02:18PM (#12455635)
Upskilling is one of the most ineffective costly ways to try and "re-program" workers and it mostly doesn't work because it's not about skills it's about talent.
Re:We’re in the Middle of a Data Engineering Talent Shortage by linkregister on Thursday September 08, 2016 @02:40PM (#12455927)
Talent that occurs through the genetic/epigenetic process of having attained a Data Science masters degree after earning a Computer Science degree?

I am a believer in inherent talent but Data Engineering is a skill set.

Re:We’re in the Middle of a Data Engineering Talent Shortage by ThomPete on Thursday September 08, 2016 @02:57PM (#12456134)
Engineering is a talent skill there is a world of difference between teaching someone starting from scratch and then starting someone first having to unlearn what they learned to then learn perhaps a completely new way of thinking.

Most of the reskill programs I have heard of failed miserably exactly because the skill isn't enough.

Re:We’re in the Middle of a Data Engineering Talent Shortage by crispyambulance on Thursday September 08, 2016 @03:50PM (#12456652)
I sort of agree in that orgs can't simply create massive education programs to re-purpose skill-sets/talent. That might have been possible "back in the day" before project managers were breathing down people's necks, but not today.

But the brightside is that talented people will find a way to "upskill" themselves in whatever environment they find themselves in. It is then up to the candidates to sell themselves and for the potential employers to be flexible about considering different backgrounds and nurturing the development of cross-functional skills that are needed for so-called data-engineers.

The skills listed in the article are all fairly common but its hard to find enough of these skills within individuals. For example, its not hard to find folks who can do the care and feeding of sql-server databases, or skilled programmers, or analysts who understand the business domain intimately. The problem is getting all of these together in one individual in a "know-enough-to-be-dangerous" level.

Re:We’re in the Middle of a Data Engineering Talent Shortage by ThomPete on Friday September 09, 2016 @09:43AM (#12462081)
Yeah if up-skilling means "I used to do front end development now I do back end development" the up-skilling is fairly easy to do.

But if you used to work as a plumber and want to up-skill to data analyst (or vice versa) it's not that simple.

Re:We’re in the Middle of a Data Engineering Talent Shortage by etjossem on Thursday September 08, 2016 @04:36PM (#12457040)
That's not always the case. Talent doesn't exist in a vacuum.

Someone with a natural talent for picking up new development skills will still learn data engineering far faster when provided with proper resources and strong internal mentorship.

I can see how you might make this observation after observing a poorly conducted training program.

Re:We’re in the Middle of a Data Engineering Talent Shortage by ThomPete on Friday September 09, 2016 @09:51AM (#12462157)
The problem is that there aren't that many people with natural talents. They exist but it's very hard to sync them up with where demand is.

Also this is not just one poorly conducted training program. Denmark spent billions up-skilling parts of their work force. The results where simply no there. Something like 6 out of every 1000 person or something like that.

Re:We’re in the Middle of a Data Engineering Talent Shortage by duaneb on Thursday September 08, 2016 @03:05PM (#12456233)
How would you distinguish talent from experience?
Re:We’re in the Middle of a Data Engineering Talent Shortage by ThomPete on Friday September 09, 2016 @09:10AM (#12461794)
I would say that talent needs experience to be valuable.