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Re:iPhone 7 by theli0nheart on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @04:27PM (#12447268)
>> the biggest difference is that those technologies were all on the downward slope of their popularity when Apple made the move

> Were any of them? MacBook Air released in 2008. DVD media sales rose YOY 2005 => 2009. Flash video did not decrease in popularity pre-iPhone, it decreased because of the iPhone.

And yet most people still need to buy external DVD/Blu-Ray drives. It's been 7 years, and not having DVD drives built into Mac hardware is still incredibly inconvenient.

>> The headphone jack is just as popular today as it has ever been

> "DVDs are as popular today as they have ever been" - someone in 2008

I'm sure someone said that, but I think most people were already moving on to Blu-Ray.

Re:iPhone 7 by jmtorresg on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @04:33PM (#12447344)
> And yet most people still need to buy external DVD/Blu-ray drives. I don't agree with you on that point, and that's coming from someone who has a computer which came with a DVD drive. I've literally used it maybe, what, twice since I got it? And honestly I can't find an example off the top of my head of a mac-owning friend of mine who'd complain about not having a optical drive on their machine.
Re:iPhone 7 by flukus on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @06:09PM (#12448316)
DVD media sales don't mean much because most of those would be watched on home entertainment centers, not MacBook.

My ~5 year old laptop came with a blue ray drive. It has never held a blue ray disc and only once held a DVD. I wish other manufacturers were quicker to follow suite.

Re:iPhone 7 by georgespencer on Thursday September 08, 2016 @04:46AM (#12451290)
You've said "most people" twice here and I think it's wrong both times.

No, most people who buy Mac laptops and iMacs do _not_ buy an external DVD or Blu Ray drive. Apple is not shifting Macs:Drives in a 2:1 ratio or anything even approaching that.

> I think most people were already moving on to Blu-Ray

In 2008 Blu Ray vs HD-DVD was only just coming to an end. It's extraordinary to claim that "most people" [who had a DVD drive] were transitioning over to Blu Ray. If anything, I'd argue that a huge chunk of people who had DVD players flat-out have not transitioned to BR at all. Either way "most people" is an insane number.

Re:iPhone 7 by oldmanjay on Thursday September 08, 2016 @12:02AM (#12450229)
I'm not sure most Mac owners are buying external DVD drives. Do you have any reason for believing that?

It's possible my experience isn't representative but I do know hundreds of Mac owners and DVD drives aren't very evident. Nor are any discs, generally. It seems to be a very networked subculture.

Re:iPhone 7 by cloudjacker on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @04:30PM (#12447312)
and not having a dvd drive built in is incredibly convenient for the form factor and durability of the machine
Re:iPhone 7 by pritambaral on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @04:55PM (#12447585)
That gain in form-factor is not comparable to the removal of the 3.5mm port though.
Re:iPhone 7 by cloudjacker on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @07:40PM (#12448965)
As someone that has been using noise cancelling wireless headphones for 3 years, sorry I can't relate.

I'm considerate of the price premium this represents, and how Apple's new buds unfortunately only offer 5 hours of charge. But I just want you to know there is another perspective.

Re:iPhone 7 by anonred on Thursday September 08, 2016 @03:24AM (#12450940)
Given your usage patterns, what sort of battery performance do you normally expect from wireless earbuds? 5hrs with a 24hr+ charging case seems decently long to someone who only uses wired earbuds.
Re:iPhone 7 by georgespencer on Thursday September 08, 2016 @04:48AM (#12451300)
Bose QC-25 give me 35 hours of active noise cancelling on a single AAA battery.