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Re:iPhone 7 by TazeTSchnitzel on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @03:40PM (#12446691)
I think that removing the headphone jack could be justified if they were moving to an open standard. But instead they're moving to Lightning.
Re:iPhone 7 by egypturnash on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @03:59PM (#12446959)
They are. They're moving to Bluetooth. If you don't want those then you can get a Lightning adaptor.

Edit: no they're not, I was skimming the news too hard. Oops. Well I guess they're trying to fix the Bluetooth latency everyone is complaining about with their existing stuff then.

In a few years I'm sure Apple will find a wireless charging solution they like, and then they'll drop the Lightning connector as well. I cannot even begin to imagine the hue and cry that one's gonna cause.

Re:iPhone 7 by jonknee on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @04:13PM (#12447118)
They're not moving to Bluetooth. They're packaging Lightning headphones in the box and announced their own wireless earbuds that are not Bluetooth.

Update: as noted below, they do use Bluetooth though that's not in the marketing pitch. They don't promise compatibility outside of Apple devices though so who knows if it's based on a standard profile.

Re:iPhone 7 by theli0nheart on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @05:15PM (#12447775)
This is not true. They are Bluetooth.

See http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMEF2AM/A/airpods, then scroll down to "Tech Specs".

    Connections
    AirPods: Bluetooth
Re:iPhone 7 by strange_quark on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @04:38PM (#12447421)
I guess there's no way to know for sure right now, but it seems like the Airpods probably do in fact run over Bluetooth since they'll work with existing iPhones and Macs. Maybe they're using Wifi and building on top of Airdrop, but that seems like excessive power consumption for tiny headphones. I'd bet they're using Bluetooth 4.x + some proprietary magic to get them to pair super easily.
Re:iPhone 7 by evilduck on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @05:20PM (#12447832)
Apple says they're bluetooth right on their website: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMEF2AM/A/airpods

How they pair with non-Apple gear is yet to be seen, but the connection is BT.

Re:iPhone 7 by jonknee on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @06:12PM (#12448338)
"Right on their website", but not in any of their marketing materials or during the presentation. It will be interesting to see if they work at all with non-Apple devices.

Update: CNET is providing a little more on this, looks like they will be compatible (but without any buttons on them, it may not be a great experience):

http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-intros-totally-wireless-airpo...

> They all work with Apple's new proprietary W1 chip that's being described as a custom chip that uses ultra low-power Blueooth and keeps the two earbuds in sync. CNET reporter Shara Tibken spoke to Apple reps who confirmed the headphones will work with other Bluetooth devices, not just the new iPhones

Re:iPhone 7 by eeeeeeeeeeeee on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @07:41PM (#12448971)
Are there any restrictions about advertising something as "Bluetooth" if it doesn't follow the spec, and thus have compatibility with devices other than Apple?
Re:iPhone 7 by awj on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @05:10PM (#12447720)
> They're packaging Lightning headphones in the box and announced their own wireless earbuds that are not Bluetooth.

Have a source for that? That they claim it works with existing Macs kind of implies that it uses Bluetooth.

Re:iPhone 7 by lobf on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @08:15PM (#12449178)
I could have sworn they are, in fact, Bluetooth...
Re:iPhone 7 by niftich on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @03:47PM (#12446782)
There is an open standard; it's the analog headphone jack. </sarcasm>

But there is no 'other' open standard yet, although Intel and other vendors are pondering it [1].

This doesn't mean that HDMI or DisplayPort can't be shoehorned to do it and you can't carry those over the USB type-C plug, but they're meant for other things. This type of 'let's invent one that meets our needs slightly better than the 5 others' is what leads to standards proliferating (and I'll avoid linking the xkcd).

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12305410

Re:iPhone 7 by theshrike79 on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @04:26PM (#12447257)
The current 4-pole headphone jack used in mobile phones is hardly a standard. At least both iOS and Android use their own flavour when doing anything more complex than play/pause.
Re:iPhone 7 by niftich on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @04:45PM (#12447496)
They're standards, there's just too many of them! [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_connector_(audio)#TRRS_s...

Re:iPhone 7 by comex on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @03:59PM (#12446958)
USB audio has existed for decades and can be used with type-C like any other USB class. Intel's thing may provide improvements but it's hardly necessary.
Re:iPhone 7 by niftich on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @04:18PM (#12447160)
This is correct, it's called 'Audio Device Class', specs here [1][2]. It's said that the new enhancements that Intel is pondering add power-management features to this spec, but I can't find much documentation on it, other than rumours.

[1] http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/devclass_docs/audio10.pdf

[2] http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/devclass_docs/frmts10.pdf

Re:iPhone 7 by karmelapple on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @04:03PM (#12447013)
What about Bluetooth audio? That is an open standard.
Re:iPhone 7 by eridius on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @04:24PM (#12447235)
It's not a very good one. Audio quality sucks and bluetooth has a lot of issues. But if you want to use it, Apple's always supported Bluetooth headphones.
Re:iPhone 7 by niftich on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @04:28PM (#12447290)
I was limiting my comparison to wired audio interconnects.

It may be that from many people's point of view, the user experience is comparable and/or better. But it's accomplished using a fundamentally different mechanism. I wanted better apples; even if some oranges are tasty too.

Re:iPhone 7 by jolux on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @04:06PM (#12447038)
The open standard is Bluetooth...
Re:iPhone 7 by josu on Wednesday September 07, 2016 @07:25PM (#12448887)
>But instead they're moving to Lightning.

Are they? Because none of their computer nor laptops have a lightning connector.