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Re:ITT Technical Institutes Shuts Down by beachstartup on Tuesday September 06, 2016 @10:45AM (#12436346)
> What's the case against community colleges historically?

nothing, but they don't have slick advertising and promise you a $75k/year job, or aggressively recruit you by calling you non-stop and using manipulative pressure tactics like you're buying a $50,000 cell phone plan at a mall kiosk.

Re:ITT Technical Institutes Shuts Down by dec0dedab0de on Tuesday September 06, 2016 @11:03AM (#12436489)
or aggressively recruit you by calling you non-stop and using manipulative pressure tactics

Wow, you just reminded me of something funny that happened about 15 years ago.

A younger friend of mine was interested in tech, and knew I was "good with computers". They had taken some online quiz, and said I should take it. So I took it, and filled out my info thinking I might win something (I was young, and didn't particularly care.) About 15 minutes later I got a phone call from a guy trying to tell me that I was in a dead end job, and that I would never be anything if I didn't go to the school he was pushing. I think I just laughed, and said something snarky like "at least I'm not calling people up selling things." Then about an hour later he called back from another number, and was making fun of my (admittedly awful) band, asking where he could buy tickets. I calmly just told him we would appreciate the support, and gave him our website. He just hung up in a huff, but it was a very weird exchange.

In any case, I am very surprised anybody ever buys anything from pushy salespeople. I always immediately equate it to a low quality product, or a business with questionable morals.

Re:ITT Technical Institutes Shuts Down by logfromblammo on Tuesday September 06, 2016 @11:51AM (#12436869)
Never mind pushy. How do rude salespeople even exist?

I have never even liked the concept of a salesperson, as distinct from a vendor's point-of-sale clerk. I don't like to haggle; I check competitor prices, and use advertised sales or coupons.

Re:ITT Technical Institutes Shuts Down by dragonwriter on Tuesday September 06, 2016 @12:55PM (#12437398)
> Never mind pushy. How do rude salespeople even exist?

They exist because people who give in to avoid conflict exist, so pushy and rude both, in certain contexts and with certain target audiences, work in sales.

Re:ITT Technical Institutes Shuts Down by WesternStar on Tuesday September 06, 2016 @09:18PM (#12440414)
If you've never sold its kind of hard to understand but doormats are people who have nothing to offer and who's time isn't valuable. Part of selling things to people is selling yourself. People with high value are allowed to be arrogant and rude , in moderation.
Re:ITT Technical Institutes Shuts Down by Practicality on Tuesday September 06, 2016 @11:19AM (#12436610)
" I am very surprised anybody ever buys anything from pushy salespeople. "

Agreed. The irony is the majority of people do. Sadly, most people are irrational > 50% of the time. Sure. They are capable of being rational, but they don't exercise that capability.

Re:ITT Technical Institutes Shuts Down by jimbokun on Tuesday September 06, 2016 @06:27PM (#12439727)
And that doesn't exclude those of us posting on Hacker News.