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Re:The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They A... by kmonsen on Monday September 05, 2016 @02:35AM (#12428527)
So even the article says the main reason they can't hire good hackers is that the can't offer reasonable compensation, long term career prospects etc. But het, much easier to blame those hackers for smoking pot.

This is just a stupid excuse for why he is not doing his job effectively.

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Re:The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They A... by digler999 on Monday September 05, 2016 @03:33AM (#12428709)
> long term career prospects

I doubt many young people even want "long term" prospects anymore.

Re:The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They A... by Karnickel on Monday September 05, 2016 @03:41AM (#12428736)
I can't speak for any other country, obviously culture plays a role, but in Germany we just had an article in one of the top two news sites (and this is the much more reputable one of the two) [0] that says in a poll [1] 1/3rd of students said they'd like to become a "Beamter", which is a special status for life-term government employees who cannot be fired and have their own pension scheme.

Job security was the number one concern overall (63% of said so). Income was only in fifth place. There was a big difference between the sexes, the share of women who wanted to work for the government was much higher (42% vs. 23% of men).

But that's not all - most students prefer to work for very large companies, giants like Siemens, BMW etc. regularly top the ranking of places where students want to go to. Few want to go to small and medium companies, even though we have a lot of them. Even fewer want to work for a startup or even found one.

I am certainly not critical of that attitude, I doubt that throughout history there ever was a big part of humanity that preferred insecurity and excitement and (often dubious) "chances" that actually depend on quite a bit of luck quite heavily over friends, family and a solid secure basis. That is if that was available of course, often people were forced into being more adventurous by circumstances.

[0] (in German) http://www.spiegel.de/karriere/berufsstart/jeder-dritte-stud...

[1] (PDF) http://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/EY-Studentenstudie-...

Re:The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They A... by vacri on Monday September 05, 2016 @04:27AM (#12428902)
A survey of the general population is not really appropriate for a hyper-niche demographic like talented hackers (the ones they want to hire). There's plenty of mooks out there who want to do the minimum work possible and unsurprising that a general poll would account for a lot of them. That's not to say that you are a mook if you want that, but that idea of a 'safe job' is not something that's particularly big in the hacker world.
Re:The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They A... by wolfgke on Monday September 05, 2016 @06:40AM (#12429354)
> That's not to say that you are a mook if you want that, but that idea of a 'safe job' is not something that's particularly big in the hacker world.

The article is from German media. I can't speak for the US, but in Germany it leaves a bad impression if you switch jobs too often. Also in the last 15 years (in particular under the Schröder administration (from 1998-2005)) in Germany there were lots of reforms of the job market that lead to the feeling of many people that the jobs are much less secure and if you lose the job you will move downward socially much faster. This in my opinion explains pretty well why now lots of people want jobs that are more safe. And I see no evidence that this doesn't hold for hackers, too, since it is well-known that it is much more difficult to find a new job in the technology sector in Germany if you are, older than say, 45 years.

Re:The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They A... by vacri on Monday September 05, 2016 @07:41PM (#12432828)
It seems that you guys are trying to have your cake and eat it too. So... you're saying that the FBI is having trouble hiring hackers because... they don't pay the salaries of Silicon Valley, and don't offer job permanence of a German government job.

Besides, if talented hackers were so majorly set on permanence in their jobs, there'd be no game studios.

Re:The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They A... by vacri on Monday September 05, 2016 @03:21AM (#12428664)
Where does it say there are no long term career prospects? Or 'reasonable' compensation? It just says "they can find more lucrative deals". You seem to be projecting something onto the article that isn't there.
Re:The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They A... by Karnickel on Monday September 05, 2016 @03:31AM (#12428700)
Just before where you found that quote the text is a link to another article that talks about those things.
Re:The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They A... by vacri on Monday September 05, 2016 @04:15AM (#12428868)
You mean this? http://www.informationweek.com/government/cybersecurity/gove...

That link also doesn't say anything about long-term prospects. It does say it can't pay the lucrative amounts the private sector can, but that doesn't mean that the pay is 'unreasonable'. In fact, most of that article is about a mismatch of cultural fit, and has very little to do with remuneration.

And seriously, given how much of the hot talent in SV jumps around on a yearly basis depending on who provides the biggest bucks, does anyone really believe that "long-term career prospects" are going to appeal to those hackers? Do talented programmers really sign on to Apple because "I know I'll be a senior manager there in 20 years?

'Job security' is not the same as 'long term prospects'.

Re:The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They A... by alien3d on Monday September 05, 2016 @02:40AM (#12428546)
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