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Re:Running a Tor Exit Node for Fun and E-mails by jordigh on Monday September 05, 2016 @12:21AM (#12428085)
Hasn't Tor failed to meet its goal so far? With only 900 exit nodes, it's totally feasible to block them all, which is exactly what China has done. If Tor isn't usable for hopping over the GFW, it hasn't yet fulfilled its true potential, has it?
Re:Running a Tor Exit Node for Fun and E-mails by AgentME on Monday September 05, 2016 @12:24AM (#12428103)
Hiding the fact that you're using Tor isn't one of the main goals of Tor.
Re:Running a Tor Exit Node for Fun and E-mails by jordigh on Monday September 05, 2016 @12:36AM (#12428132)
"Tor provides a gateway to the free Internet, bypassing most mediums of censorship that may be imposed by someone, like for example oppressive regimes."

People sure seem to believe that getting around censorship is one of the main goals, though.

Re:Running a Tor Exit Node for Fun and E-mails by AgentME on Monday September 05, 2016 @12:44AM (#12428154)
Tor does have private bridges into the network that you can request access to, which is their solution to this issue.
Re:Running a Tor Exit Node for Fun and E-mails by adamfisk on Monday September 05, 2016 @01:25AM (#12428309)
It's not a matter of hiding the fact that you're using Tor, it's a matter of whether it bypasses censors or not. There's a big difference between those two. Even if a censor is able to detect that an individual node is running Tor, that doesn't mean they can globally detect all nodes and then block them.

Tor's user numbers in China in particular are very low simply because it's just straight blocked. Private bridges and pluggable transports can get around that, but they're just not used at scale because that's just too challenging for ordinary users.

Re:Running a Tor Exit Node for Fun and E-mails by apk17 on Monday September 05, 2016 @05:31AM (#12429125)
The way china is blocking tor is completely independent on the number of nodes. They even go and detect the traffic to bridges.

The problem is more like that tor relies on a few directory authorities and the only protection they have is geographic distribution and the public outcry should a set of nation state go actually seize them.

Re:Running a Tor Exit Node for Fun and E-mails by nbraud on Monday September 05, 2016 @10:40AM (#12430551)
> The problem is more like that tor relies on a few directory authorities and the only protection they have is geographic distribution and the public outcry should a set of nation state go actually seize them.

Seizing the DirAuth wouldn't achieve anything useful: all the data that the DirAuth has access to is a matter of public record (literally, the role of the DirAuth is to collect that data, sign it cryptographically and vote on it).

A group of nation-states looking to attack Tor this way would need to stealthily subvert a majority of the DirAuth, and manipulate the network consensus in a way that is both hard to detect and allows them to deanonymise users; that's very far from trivial.

Re:Running a Tor Exit Node for Fun and E-mails by apk17 on Monday September 05, 2016 @01:21PM (#12431326)
I don't know the timeout for that, but after some time no tor node would work without the dirs being present, or being manually pointed to new ones.

The question is whether someone would want to subvert or rather just shut down the tor network.

Re:Running a Tor Exit Node for Fun and E-mails by nbraud on Tuesday September 06, 2016 @04:59AM (#12434511)
Ah, ok, you were referring to the DoS vector.

Yes, a simultaneous seizure of the DirAuth would do that, breaking Tor relays and clients until the software is updated (the list is in src/or/config.c if you are curious).

On the other hand, it's a move that would require international cooperation <i>and</i> cost lots of political capital, whose only result would be a temporary (but global) DoS.

Re:Running a Tor Exit Node for Fun and E-mails by witty_username on Monday September 05, 2016 @01:26AM (#12428316)
There are bridges that can be used to connect to the Tor network.