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Re:The US government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition (2010) by greenyoda on Sunday September 04, 2016 @05:18AM (#12423494)
Denatured alcohol (e.g., ethanol with added methanol to render it undrinkable) is still used today for industrial purposes since it's much cheaper than pure ethanol, which is heavily taxed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatured_alcohol

Re:The US government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition (2010) by toomanybeersies on Sunday September 04, 2016 @10:06AM (#12424389)
Denatured alcohol in New Zealand specifically doesn't contain methanol or any other super toxic substances (except ethanol of course), despite being called methylated spirits.

It still contains bittering agents, vomiting agents, and some other stuff that's nasty but won't kill you (I think some of it is denatured with petroleum as well at like 1%). Drinking it is gonna make you a bit crook, but it won't kill you any more than a bottle of vodka.

I guess the government decided that killing alcoholics isn't the best course of action.

Re:The US government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition (2010) by Houshalter on Sunday September 04, 2016 @07:43PM (#12427273)
Well they used that in the US too. The issue was the criminals were hiring chemists to remove it. So they had to try other chemicals that were more difficult to remove, but also had worse effects.

The goal was never to kill alcoholics, but to prevent them from stealing industrial alcohol. I think the people behind it didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to try to drink or sell this stuff.

Re:The US government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition (2010) by nkurz on Sunday September 04, 2016 @08:57PM (#12427510)
I think the people behind it didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to try to drink or sell this stuff.

While it might be comforting to believe this, there's strong evidence that while directly killing alcoholics was not the goal, it was a known and acceptable collateral damage. Even after being confronted with the unprecedented number of deaths, the official response from Wayne Wheeler (the leader of the Anti-Saloon League and generally acknowledged architect of Prohibition) was that "The government is under no obligation to furnish people with alcohol that is drinkable when the Constitution prohibits it. The person who drinks this industrial alcohol is a deliberate suicide."

https://books.google.com/books?id=8gAtAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT173&dq=%...

Edit: Here's a political cartoon from 1927 attacking Wheeler for the deliberateness of his approach: http://archive.lib.msu.edu/DMC/tribune/trib00000000/trib0000...

Re:The US government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition (2010) by mamon on Sunday September 04, 2016 @08:34AM (#12423999)
And yet some people (mostly homeless and addicts) find a way to drink it anyway, with such strange methods like filtering through bread crusts.

I totally don't understand why article tries to blame government for all those deaths when it was clearly mob trying to make money.

Re:The US government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition (2010) by hyperpape on Sunday September 04, 2016 @11:29AM (#12424820)
If you take an action and know that there is a direct consequence that will kill people who have not done anything that could justify death (i.e. almost anything short of murder), you can't ignore that consequence. The only way to justify it is to say that for some reason, not acting would be unacceptable. And that is a high bar to clear, one that is obviously not met by the prohibition policy.
Re:The US government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition (2010) by vintermann on Monday September 05, 2016 @02:17AM (#12428467)
But it's not a direct consequence, that's the point. It's an indirect one, completely dependent on other people trying to renature it and drink it - ignoring warning labels like this one: http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/warning-label...
Re:The US government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition (2010) by hyperpape on Monday September 05, 2016 @08:51AM (#12429913)
I should have avoided the word 'direct', because of that potential for confusion. What I meant is predictable.
Re:The US government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition (2010) by vintermann on Tuesday September 06, 2016 @02:54AM (#12434064)
But there's a big difference between consequences that are predictable because of nature (i.e. if I kick this rock it will hurt) and consequences that are predictable because of people's decisions.

The redistillers' resolve to keep selling even if they couldn't renature their product and it would be deadly - should that be treated the same as a force of nature? When should people's decisions be treated as a fact we just have to adapt to?

In my experience, people mostly want their own decisions, or the decisions of the people they agree with, to be treated as facts of nature. But the decisions of people they disagree with, they want to treat as their own free decisions.

Re:The US government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition (2010) by meddlepal on Sunday September 04, 2016 @11:17AM (#12424751)
Does the bread filtering thing actually work? I just don't see how that could possibly work...
Re:The US government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition (2010) by aaron695 on Monday September 05, 2016 @06:35AM (#12429338)
Burnt bread, AKA charcoal.

It just reduces the bad taste, still tastes pretty bad.