Re:Edward Snowden’s Long, Strange Journey to Hollywood
by dvt on Sunday September 04, 2016 @02:37AM
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It's a loaded term because it's at best unclear if Snowden truly had the mens rea (legal experts go back and forth on this). Specifically, whether or not his intent was to aid the US' enemies.
Re:Edward Snowden’s Long, Strange Journey to Hollywood
by tanderson92 on Sunday September 04, 2016 @02:45AM
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To me, mens rea is the entirety of the act of treason. Otherwise, many citizens' individual actions hurt US interests vs our "enemies".
That aside, that I still don't see how that implies it is loaded.
(by the way, I never objected to people believing he should serve jail time as the GP suggested; my comment concerned the certainty that he was a traitor)
Re:Edward Snowden’s Long, Strange Journey to Hollywood
by dvt on Sunday September 04, 2016 @02:52AM
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Maybe I misunderstood, but my point is that "treason" is a loaded term because we're not really sure if what he did was treasonous or not. As mentioned, treason needs an "intent to aid enemies" which we're not sure if Snowden had -- experts go back and forth on this.
So people just say "treason" to be inflammatory. He definitely broke the law and should probably be in jail, but treason is another ballgame altogether.
Re:Edward Snowden’s Long, Strange Journey to Hollywood
by sparky1990 on Sunday September 04, 2016 @03:52AM
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Snowden is not a US citizen, so "traitor" doesn't even apply.
Re:Edward Snowden’s Long, Strange Journey to Hollywood
by codethief on Sunday September 04, 2016 @04:17AM
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Since when? AFAIK they only invalidated his passport.
Re:Edward Snowden’s Long, Strange Journey to Hollywood
by cyphar on Monday September 05, 2016 @02:59AM
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And since they only invalidated his passport, we can conclude that Snowden doesn't have any other citizenships (it is against international law to make a person stateless, and the US surely would've retracted his citizenship if they could).
> Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.