Just about everyone in IT. The (software) factories are thriving the world over and despite what StartUp people and various other revolutionists will tell you, hardly anyone is even trying to disrupt this. Because people (both employers and staff) are mostly happy with the status quo. You'll hear a lot of talk about reduced office hours, flexible office hours, working 4 days a week, "commuter revolution", etc, etc... those things are statistical outliers that haven't really affected the large picture. Leaving your job to build a business is probably the _least_ statistically significant factor in all of this.

So yea, factories (and factory working hours) are here to stay for the foreseeable future.

I actually just quit a factory job to start software dev. The conditions and pay were terrible at my factory gig so I started learning to code in my spare time. Probably few people on this forum would be connected with people who recently have worked in factories. But those jobs do exist, and man do they SUCK!

Especially when the people in software aren't developing products for you because they have never met you, i.e. don't believe you exist. There are good things and bad things about the homogeneity of SV culture, and outside perspectives, especially from the working class, don't often make it past a seed round.

It's always interesting to hear another person talk about this. I've seen an article or two talking about how under served the working class is in regards to software.

Makes me wonder how much of it is economic, and how much of it is social.

A tremendous number of large corporations in North America have a traditional "butts in chairs" mentality/approach.

I'm a consultant but many clients, and especially government ones, in large enterprise IT, insist on seeing you in the office 9-to-5 (well... 8am-to-6pm really, but I digress).

While in the news and especially Hacker News, we hear more about the startup-type businesses, majority of people are employeed in big traditional corporations.

I don't think I've heard of a '9-5' factory job.

I had an 8-4 job one summer, when I worked temp jobs for an agency at various factories.

But the rest were 7-3, 12-8 or something in order to make multiple shifts fit.

Men are just machines. Most factories want 24 hours of production, some 7 days a week.

It's almost always rotating 3 shifts of 8hr(days, afternoons, midnights) or 2 shifts of 12hr(days or midnights).

Well, I work 9<something> to 5<something> most days and so do most of my colleagues - employer is very sensible, nice office, interesting varied work....