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Re:Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency by bogomipz on Wednesday August 31, 2016 @04:34AM (#12396834)
The carrier weight is significant because its proportional to the amount of substance, the paper is the distribution vector. Someone caught with a sheet of LSD is carrying significantly more than a single tab of LSD. The latter defying "personal consumption. And personal consumption vs intent to distribute is significantly different.

While I don't believe that non-violent drug offenders should be locked up for life, this individual failed to appreciate the gravity of being arrested for the serious offense of distribution on two prior occasions! To add to the stupidity , the Seth Faranti case was a huge cause célèbre in 1993 and he was put away for life. It was well known at the time that the Feds were taking a serious view of LSD distribution and were targeting Deadshows. Yet he continued his disregard for consequences well into 1994.

LSD is not physically addictive so this is not like someone who became physically addicted and was arrested as a recidivist offender as a result. This was someone who was financing a lifestyle by selling acid. There were plenty of other Deadheads that financed their road trips without selling drugs. It was a choice he made on at least three different occasions.

While I believe the war drugs is indeed dumb, getting arrested for the same serious crime three times is even dumber.

There is a difference between making a mistake in ones youth and throwing your life away.

Re:Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency by Nursie on Wednesday August 31, 2016 @04:51AM (#12396904)
Carrier weight is really dumb because someone carrying a 1g crystal has up to 10,000 doses on their person, 1g of paper, not so much.
Re:Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency by bogomipz on Wednesday August 31, 2016 @05:23AM (#12397037)
LSD doses are measured in micrograms so 1 gram is in fact a substantial amount. Do the research. Theres a difference between opinion and fact.

https://erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_dose.shtml

Re:Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency by Nursie on Wednesday August 31, 2016 @06:03AM (#12397188)
That's the point!

Yes, doses are in the order of 100-150 micrograms, for a basic dose. 100ug will do as an approximation.

How many doses of 100ug are there in 1g? Oooh... About 10,000.

So yes, 1g of crystal is a substantial amount, that's the point. Compared to a handful of doses on a gram of paper, it makes a mockery of the law if I were to be charged the same way whichever of the two I was carrying.

(Of course the law is an ass anyway, where it comes to drugs)

Re:Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency by Broken_Hippo on Wednesday August 31, 2016 @06:45AM (#12397311)
Completely agreed.

The gram of paper is still mostly paper. Sure it could have varying amounts of actual acid on it, but still mostly paper.

it would be like if the ml in alcohol were measured along with the glass bottle it comes in - and something with low alcohol volume (say beer) would get you just as much time as a 100 proof whiskey or moonshine.

Re:Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency by bogomipz on Wednesday August 31, 2016 @10:06AM (#12398367)
No thats not the point. With LSD the paper is the unit of distribution. Its the dosage vector. A sheet of of acid which is comprised of 100 hits of acid. So by considering the amount of surface area or weight is what allows the law to decide if the amount comprises personal consumption vs distribution.

So when the law is trying to decide how much of a threat the contraband is to society the potential damage of a sheet of acid us much much greater than a hit or a couple of hits(smaller pieces of paper.)

What are you proposing that the acid be recovered from the paper? What would that do? There's no threshold below which you are permitted to posses lysergic acid in the United States.

Re:Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency by Nursie on Wednesday August 31, 2016 @10:14AM (#12398430)
I'm not proposing anything, I'm suggestig that anything drawing an equivalent between weight of raw LSD and paper blotters is pants-on-head retarded.

Legislate penalty by doses if you want, but the fact remains that someone with ten mg of crystal is carrying with them just as many doses as someone carrying a few g of blotters.

Re:Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency by michael_h on Wednesday August 31, 2016 @10:17AM (#12398455)
He is saying that 1g of LSD (when including the paper weight) is maybe a couple hundred doses, while 1g of meth in a plastic bag is ~10,000 doses, but they are sentenced as if they are equivalent.
Re:Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency by CoryG89 on Wednesday August 31, 2016 @08:11AM (#12397661)
> The carrier weight is significant because its proportional to the amount of substance

This is not true. I can take a clean sheet of paper and dissolve as much LSD (or as little) on it as desired. 1g of near-pure crystal will definitely contain thousands of doses. 1g of paper could contain anything from 0, 1, 10, or 100 doses or more.

Re:Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency by bogomipz on Wednesday August 31, 2016 @10:11AM (#12398405)
Now what would be point in that? Sure you can do that but in practice this is not at all how it works. Drugs are a business. You can also sell pure cocaine but it is never done at the retail level because it would be a completely non-sensical business decision. The unit of purchase is a single tab. More tabs equal more paper.
Re:Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency by CoryG89 on Wednesday August 31, 2016 @10:24AM (#12398507)
It most definitely does work this way in practice. If you go buy a sheet of acid from a random person, you can bet there is at least a 50% chance it contains no LSD at all. Why should I give you a sheet with LSD on it when I can give you a clean sheet with nothing on it and you wouldn't know the difference until at least 45-60 minutes after you took it? Plenty of time for me to get away with your money. More likely, it will contain some LSD (or something similar), but not nearly as much as one tab ~= one dose. Just like you say with cocaine, it makes business sense to dilute it; it also makes sense to make sheets of LSD such that 4, 5, or 10 tabs equals one dose, instead of just a single tab.

Your example with cocaine is a good one, people caught with cocaine aren't carrying pure cocaine either. They are usually charged with the weight of the cutting agent as well, which in my view is equally stupid. If you have a pound of baking soda with 1gm of cocaine mixed in it, you shouldn't be charged with having a pound of cocaine.

Re:Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency by bogomipz on Wednesday August 31, 2016 @10:45AM (#12398677)
No it doesn't work that way in practice. LSD is culturally much different that the substance where you are likely to be sold bogus substances.

I'm not saying it can't happen, its just not very common. The culture where acid is prevalent is much more communal.

Re:Grateful Dead Fan Timothy Tyler Has Been Granted Clemency by CoryG89 on Wednesday August 31, 2016 @11:39AM (#12399086)
Right, you must think LSD dealers are so much more enlightened than dealers of other drugs.

According, to the studies shown here on erowid, the blotter tabs examined by labs since '97 range anywhere from 19 micrograms all the way up to 148 micrograms. The older lab tests from the 70s and 80s seem to have a greater range testing at anywhere from 5 micrograms to 500 micrograms per tab!

All of these blotter tabs are going to weigh roughly the same amount. Some of the weaker ones may even weigh more than the stronger ones due to the difference in the type of paper.

https://erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_article3.shtml