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Re:A Powerful Russian Weapon: The Spread of False Stories by gfosco on Sunday August 28, 2016 @03:25PM (#12378050)
The same shit is happening here. Massive distortion of reality and epic-level propaganda on US media. We need to always be skeptical of the pushed narrative.
Re:A Powerful Russian Weapon: The Spread of False Stories by dmytrish on Sunday August 28, 2016 @03:43PM (#12378139)
I can't judge that by myself, but my external impression that if there is such thing as Western propaganda, it must be incredibly subtle and seamless, omnipotent and omnipresent to be real. Russian propaganda is not a thing you are not aware of as a Russian, it's just that it gets you emotional and grows a self-protection from external believes.

Many Russian medias start to claim "look at the others, they are not better" when confronted with a clear evidence of their lie. Even more, it grows a kind of double-speak: I have an impression that the majority of Russians understood who the Crimean "polite green men" were, but they were still supporting the official narrative in public.

I strongly advise against believing in "all these media are sides of the same coin", it's a well-known instrument of propaganda.

Re:A Powerful Russian Weapon: The Spread of False Stories by gspetr on Tuesday August 30, 2016 @05:25PM (#12394051)
Re:A Powerful Russian Weapon: The Spread of False Stories by woodandsteel on Sunday August 28, 2016 @09:40PM (#12379471)
The idea that the media in the US is pure government propaganda. There is vigorous debate on innumerable issues. Think for instance of the climate change debate, or Middle East policy. In Russia you don't have that at all.

One of the basic tactics of pro-Russian propagandists is to not deny that the media in Russia is all propaganda, but try to persuade people that the same is true everywhere else.

The idea is that people won't know what ideas to trust, and will become cynical and apathetic. Once that happens Russia can simply expand unopposed.

Re:A Powerful Russian Weapon: The Spread of False Stories by woodandsteel on Monday August 29, 2016 @08:53PM (#12386604)
Oops, the first line should read: The idea that the media in the US is pure government propaganda is nonsense.
Re:A Powerful Russian Weapon: The Spread of False Stories by rbanffy on Sunday August 28, 2016 @06:42PM (#12378885)
I think the US has a slightly different problem, and it's much scarier than an external opponent alone.

http://billmoyers.com/story/donald-trump-and-the-walter-winc...

Re:A Powerful Russian Weapon: The Spread of False Stories by summarite on Tuesday August 30, 2016 @05:02AM (#12388440)
Absolute nonsense. There are occasional biases in the media and some level of circular information flow, but that is not even remotely comparable to the Russian shill factories and the absurd and abstruse stories created and pushed by Russian government and linked media. If you don't believe in the shill factories (which are indeed real), think of that: the Russian foreign minister going on TV to criticise a supposed rape of a young girl in Germany, days after it has been forcefully debunked and state media reporting it as a fact still. All with the intention to get people angry/scared of refugees, rile up the Russian community in Germany and overall sow distrust and conflict.
Re:A Powerful Russian Weapon: The Spread of False Stories by bbctol on Monday August 29, 2016 @09:29AM (#12381686)
There's media manipulation, but it's more by private companies than the state. Which is definitely also troubling, but at least we get three or four different pushed narratives to choose from, instead of the true Russian reality distortion field.