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Re:Ask HN: Early signs that a company is failing? by HelloNurse on Saturday August 27, 2016 @03:54PM (#12373890)
Saving money in new ways, with adverse consequences on work and employees that prove it isn't a benign optimization. Variant: ending or selling off "unnecessary" luxuries. For example, the newest computers are cheaper than old ones, free food is replaced by a vending machine, art on display disappears.

The slightest hint of late payments. For example, salary one day late "because the bank made a mistake": in reality, the company was waiting for cash but negotiations with banks or other lenders were difficult enough to miss the deadline.

Re:Ask HN: Early signs that a company is failing? by edoceo on Saturday August 27, 2016 @05:47PM (#12374330)
Just last week my three person startup had a payroll issue, bank error affecting one employee only. On top of the previous months payment being late by 15 days! As the founder/CEO it's freaking scary to know that money is the prime source of trust for my employees and if I lose it => REKT!

If your CEO fucks around with YOUR money at ALL watch out!

And don't be shy about asking about finances. If you have stock grants or options then you are not only an employee but also an INVESTOR and may be entitled to these details - but you have to ask.

As for my employee: the second time the bank messed up I had to stop payment on the pending one (time w/bank +fee!) then went direct to Western Union to wire cash within the hour (+fee). If payroll is late I expect the CEO to spend two hours immediately fixing it and assume costs necessary to expedite.

Re:Ask HN: Early signs that a company is failing? by rdtsc on Sunday August 28, 2016 @12:04AM (#12375257)
Communication and trust is key. I think developers can understand mistakes happen, they deal with bugs in code every day. But how it is handled and how the patterns look over time is what matters.
Re:Ask HN: Early signs that a company is failing? by gl338 on Saturday August 27, 2016 @03:57PM (#12373900)
I'll be writing a longer response in a few minutes. I am the CEO of a 20-person startup and there were a few scenarios we've had where payroll was truly late because of bank issues.

Just want to bring this up so people aren't paranoid when such things happens. They DO happen, especially now that so many startups use "cool" and "hip" startup payroll providers that also make mistakes.

Re:Ask HN: Early signs that a company is failing? by protomyth on Saturday August 27, 2016 @04:21PM (#12374001)
I've seen both. The most truly pathetic thing I have seen was the rush to the bank to cash the payroll checks because certain employees knew that the account only had enough to pay a certain number of employees. Have also seen an innocent bank failure that screwed a payroll cycle. Luckily the bank covered overdrafts for the day it hosed everyone[1].

When the company is innocent, its best if the employer shows the employees the cause of the failure and be really, really oversharing so us very angry workers aren't inclined to riot.

1) at this late date, I get the feeling because the town was small enough to call around and make sure people banking at other banks didn't overdraft either instead of covering them money-wise after the fact.

Re:Ask HN: Early signs that a company is failing? by gl338 on Saturday August 27, 2016 @05:08PM (#12374184)
Oh boy, that sprint to the bank sounds absolutely devastating. :(
Re:Ask HN: Early signs that a company is failing? by protomyth on Saturday August 27, 2016 @05:25PM (#12374256)
When the business office people leave work 15 minutes early, then the rumor spreads and you have a parking lot of people driving like Mad Max to the bank the company uses[1], it does get pretty bad. I was an observer since I worked for someone else.

It was in the 90's and there were "personal adjustments" that occurred later on.

1) cannot drive to your bank because then the check would bounce and really do some extra fun damage - plus this was before direct deposit was available at that company

Re:Ask HN: Early signs that a company is failing? by HelloNurse on Saturday August 27, 2016 @04:05PM (#12373930)
I've had actual experience of this sort in an established, relatively large company with a dedicated CFO. Worse and worse every month. A true mistake is acknowledged, not repeated, and addressed: the opposite of what a failing company in denial does.
Re:Ask HN: Early signs that a company is failing? by gl338 on Saturday August 27, 2016 @04:16PM (#12373986)
Interesting; and that's a shame. I guess I just mean to say that a mistake like that could legitimately be a mistake. I'd be horrified if our employees thought we were going bankrupt because our payroll system had a bug in it!