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Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by NhanH on Saturday August 27, 2016 @11:01AM (#12372617)
> The San Ramon complex, home to GE Digital, now employs 1,400 people. The buildings are designed to suit the free-range working ways of software developers: open-plan floors, bench seating, whiteboards, couches for impromptu meetings, balconies overlooking the grounds and kitchen areas with snacks.

It's official now, we're just chickens to the world.

So the meme finally sticks and now we're screwed for the next decade? Who do we blame for the idea that "impromptu meetings" and those baloney is the way of working for programmers?

Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by tedmiston on Saturday August 27, 2016 @12:22PM (#12372970)
> the free-range working ways of software developers: open-plan floors

This couldn't be farther from the truth. See The Joel Test.

Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by gbrayut on Monday August 29, 2016 @01:03AM (#12380110)
Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by jedberg on Saturday August 27, 2016 @12:35PM (#12373046)
I've been there. They tried to make it look like all those startups in warehouses in SF, and for the most part succeeded. You see agile boards around, decent kitchens, people hanging out on couches talking work, and some people heads down coding.

The main difference is that they seem to be dressed in a bit more "business casual" than your typical SF startup in a warehouse.

Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by harryjo on Saturday August 27, 2016 @12:13PM (#12372921)
GE went for a puff piece in the Times, and then tilted their hand and undermined their whole campaign. Just another hamfisted attempt to copy the visible trappings of successful software companies, which unfortunately are those companies own hamfisted attempts at trying to force re-create the startup success that they had in the past, before the early innovators departed.
Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by Yhippa on Saturday August 27, 2016 @04:51PM (#12374117)
Do you happen to have a link to the article?
Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by billmalarky on Saturday August 27, 2016 @11:07AM (#12372646)
Better to be a free range chicken than a caged chicken.
Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by eudox on Saturday August 27, 2016 @11:15AM (#12372682)
Actually, cubicles are a good thing.
Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by nerdponx on Saturday August 27, 2016 @11:35AM (#12372763)
Agreed, there is nothing as distracting to me as an open floor plan. I take every opportunity to work at home that I can get, because my productivity is so much higher when I am out of the office.
Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by thesimpsons1022 on Saturday August 27, 2016 @12:01PM (#12372861)
depends who you work with. I've been working with really immature loud new grads at my current company and the open floor plan is awful. I just want to work and they yell across the room to talk.
Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by nerdponx on Saturday August 27, 2016 @12:26PM (#12372989)
I really only have one coworker like this. It's more that I get easily distracted myself, so if I have nowhere to hide from distractions I will be affected by them. I don't usually do well listening to music and working at the same time, so headphones don't help either
Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by friendlygrammar on Saturday August 27, 2016 @12:19PM (#12372957)
better than open floor plan sure. I'd still prefer something that doesn't have my back out facing the open. I think there are multiple studies that show that sitting with your back facing away from people causes significant anxiety.
Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by billmalarky on Saturday August 27, 2016 @02:28PM (#12373523)
I'm torn. Cubicles lead to higher productivity, but lower quality of work-life (in my opinion). I really like my coworkers.
Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by gaius on Saturday August 27, 2016 @03:44PM (#12373848)
Cubicles for 4 people, with high partitions.
Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by billmalarky on Monday August 29, 2016 @09:20AM (#12381647)
Sounds perfect (for me).

Well, small glass offices instead of cubicles, with million dollar views of course.

Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by dev1n on Saturday August 27, 2016 @11:12AM (#12372669)
This is true.
Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by jacques_chester on Saturday August 27, 2016 @12:07PM (#12372888)
I'd be interested whether they've adopted pair programming or not.

I've worked open plan solo and paired.

Solo: I have ADHD. It's a nightmare.

Paired: I have ADHD. I barely notice the background.

Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by mwfunk on Saturday August 27, 2016 @02:08PM (#12373436)
I wonder how strongly pair programming is correlated with open office plans. Depressing if true, but if pair programming offsets the distraction of open plans, there may be cases where it's more viable for a company to simply hire twice as many developers and save money on office space, just to get out of having to give people offices.

On the other hand, it seems like people doing pair programming in open plans would contribute to the overall noise and distraction- a warehouse full of pairs of people talking all the time would also be a bad scene. :(

Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by jacques_chester on Saturday August 27, 2016 @02:42PM (#12373575)
Noise is definitely a problem if the space has poor acoustics. Some Pivotal offices have spent a lot of money on sound absorbing surfaces.

I can't speak for other companies. We don't do open plan for money, it's just that it's easier to work this way for the way that we work.

That said: for colocated teams of solo developers, or distributed teams, open plan is poison.

Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by dasmoth on Saturday August 27, 2016 @04:15PM (#12373981)
Office space isn't that expensive.

While cost IS a factor, the idea seems to be going round that open plan is genuinely superior. (Although rarely so superior that the executives partake...)

Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by gaius on Saturday August 27, 2016 @05:00PM (#12374150)
Right, startup companies do open-plan because it is cheap, not because any actual developers are more productive or happier that way. It's supposed to be something you put up with until the company can afford offices... Only that point got lost somewhere along the way.

Hell why doesn't GE just remodel their offices to look like garages, because obviously that's the reason that Apple was successful...

Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by count on Saturday August 27, 2016 @01:00PM (#12373159)
I think they've taken the Pivotal Labs (they even call them Predix Labs!) approach and do a LARGE amount of pairing.

You guys have had quite an influence :)

Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by jacques_chester on Saturday August 27, 2016 @01:07PM (#12373185)
That's great!

For Labs, our best outcome is to put ourselves out of a job because the clients are teaching themselves.

Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by lgleason on Saturday August 27, 2016 @03:57PM (#12373904)
They will do a corporate rollout of pair programming once they Six Sigma Black Belts are done doing their lean workouts ;).
Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by throwaway011101 on Sunday August 28, 2016 @12:52AM (#12375355)
Yep they pair or threesome. Theres actually alot of pressure to group up. We would pair all day most days when I worked there.
Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by jacques_chester on Sunday August 28, 2016 @09:49AM (#12376481)
I take you disliked it? A lot of people do.
Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by throwaway011101 on Sunday August 28, 2016 @04:22PM (#12378338)
Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by jacques_chester on Sunday August 28, 2016 @05:12PM (#12378560)
I don't think they're mutually exclusive.

Have you never had an interesting conversation and then looked up, realising that 4 hours had passed?

In my experience, I find it easier to focus with someone next to me than by myself. To the point that I take half as much Ritalin on pairing days than when I work alone.

Re:G.E., the 124-Year-Old Software Start-Up by throwaway011101 on Sunday August 28, 2016 @11:04PM (#12379740)
Maybe you're right? It has to be the right person/people. Also, combine pairing with an open office and now you have two people with double the chances of being interrupted. So it's circumstantial.