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Re:A FreeBSD 10 Desktop How-To by floatboth on Saturday August 27, 2016 @08:32AM (#12372073)
If you don't want to touch any config files, you can get PC-BSD.

Setting up FreeBSD is easier than, say, Arch Linux. The OS install is a menu based "next, next, next" process like in Debian. Installing a desktop environment… honestly I can't imagine how it CAN be difficult. `pacman -S xfce`, `pkg install xfce`, same thing everywhere.

Re:A FreeBSD 10 Desktop How-To by akerro on Saturday August 27, 2016 @08:48AM (#12372126)
PCBSD is great, unfortunately it lacks better support for functional keyboards and screen brightness controls on laptops, but it's great anyway. I prefer it over ArchLinux.
Re:A FreeBSD 10 Desktop How-To by janoc on Saturday August 27, 2016 @09:14AM (#12372208)
You have missed my point.

Comparing with Arch and saying it is easier - well, gee, sure - not a particularly high bar to clear! The same about installing the desktop using a package manager.

If you have to actually do any of that, you have lost already, at least as far as a productive desktop is concerned. My point is not that it is hard to do but that you shouldn't have to do it in the first place!

Desktop OS should come with a working desktop out of the box - many desktop Linux distros actually give you a choice during the install and preconfigure one of the major ones for you.

BSDs make excellent servers and there this simplicity and Unix-like approach to running things are a large benefit. Modern Linux distros tend to be way too complex and "black-box" like in this regard. However, having to go through all this to run a desktop is an unnecessary masochism for people who have way too much time on their hands, IMO.

Re:A FreeBSD 10 Desktop How-To by floatboth on Saturday August 27, 2016 @11:21AM (#12372711)
Well, everyone has different "productivity" needs. I'm productive when everything is customized for, uh, productivity. When my config files aren't overwritten by package managers and the settings aren't replaced at runtime by some-settings-daemon that I never wanted.

You must be that mythical Hacker News commenter who's proud of using default settings everywhere and not customizing anything :D

Anyway, setting up any BSD, or Arch, or even Gentoo doesn't really take "way too much time", come on.

Re:A FreeBSD 10 Desktop How-To by karma_vaccum123 on Saturday August 27, 2016 @11:35AM (#12372765)
Agreed. And FreeBSD's installer has been "next, next, next" as you say, since the 90s.

Our receptionist installed it herself on both her work and home computers in 1997. Next, next, next, done.

Re:A FreeBSD 10 Desktop How-To by groovy2shoes on Monday August 29, 2016 @02:05PM (#12383803)
Arch used to have an installer like that, but they dumped it in favor of the current boot-into-heavily-customized-live-environment-that's-nothing-like-the-default-installation-and-install-pseudo-manually-by-running-these-shell-scripts-in-the-proper-order-and-hopefully-you-memorized-the-handbook “installer”. I can't prove it, but I suspect they did that sheerly out of elitism, to keep the newbs out.
Re:A FreeBSD 10 Desktop How-To by JdeBP on Saturday August 27, 2016 @02:39PM (#12373560)
> Desktop OS should come with a working desktop out of the box ...

You are responding to a comment that explicitly mentioned PC-BSD by name. I strongly suggest looking up what PC-BSD is.