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Re:Why prisons continue to grow, even when crime declines by jchendy on Friday August 26, 2016 @08:09PM (#12370179)
Why do you want them locked up?

The things I'd like to happen are: 1) Reduce the liklihood that these people will commit further crimes 2) Discourage other people from robbing homes 3) Help you replace the things you lost

I'm not really familiar with the literature on this, but I'd guess there are more effective options than prison for all three of those.

Re:Why prisons continue to grow, even when crime declines by pcardh0 on Friday August 26, 2016 @08:16PM (#12370203)
I want them locked up, so they don't commit more crimes. Obviously the police don't catch every criminal that commits every crime. So catching them and locking them prevents them from committing more crimes.
Re:Why prisons continue to grow, even when crime declines by jchendy on Friday August 26, 2016 @08:21PM (#12370226)
> I want them locked up, so they don't commit more crimes.

Do you have evidence that prison actually reduces future crimes?

Re:Why prisons continue to grow, even when crime declines by mveety on Friday August 26, 2016 @09:16PM (#12370392)
I think he's getting at the fact that if they're in a cage they can't commit crimes while in there (sorta). Recidivism rates would suggest that prison doesn't actually do much to prevent future crime unless they're physically in the prison.
Re:Why prisons continue to grow, even when crime declines by jchendy on Friday August 26, 2016 @11:05PM (#12370731)
> I think he's getting at the fact that if they're in a cage they can't commit crimes while in there

Yeah, that's what I suspected. To me, that line of thinking feels short-sighted and/or motivated by revenge rather than rationality.

Re:Why prisons continue to grow, even when crime declines by ryanlol on Saturday August 27, 2016 @06:32AM (#12371801)
> Recidivism rates

In the US.

Re:Why prisons continue to grow, even when crime declines by tomjen3 on Saturday August 27, 2016 @03:54PM (#12373887)
It reduces it 100% on the people that aren't let out again. Which suggests that we should be looking at life in prison, rather than shorter sentences if we really want crime to go down and we are conserned about them becoming hard-core criminals.

Actually though I think there is a mismatch - there are two groups here, those who made a mistake but are fundamentally good people (they perhaps have a drinking problem or a drug problem, fell into a bad crowd, etc) those should probably not be put in jail, but more a closed treatment center, put on parole, sentenced to community service, etc. The idiots who stole my wheel-caps probably belongs here, as would somebody who killed their spouse because they abused them - it is not okay, but it doesn't make them unredeamably bad people.

Then there are the people who are just scum, the [mum who goes out to drink, leaving her toddler at home](http://www.lohud.com/story/news/crime/2016/05/09/new-rochell...), the gang members, the people who commits rape, etc. Those just needs to be locked up, forever if possible.

It appear to me that both sides of this debate are only focusing on one of the sub groups and are trying to apply rules evenly, without first looking at the criminal. This will absolutely result in injustices, either by throwing a 17 year old in prison for life with out the possibility of parole for [killing her pimp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Kruzan) or releasing criminals who will go on to do more criminal acts.