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Re:Using attrs for everything in Python by carapace on Friday August 26, 2016 @02:41PM (#12368324)
Oh c'mon Zoidberg, that's a strawman argument. "with" is a Python keyword and the statement syntax is in the grammar. I would expect any working Python developer to know what it is, and even understand how to write a context manager.

...wait wat? It's in the Standard Library? No, I just checked and it's not. Too bad, if it was "blessed" by inclusion in the library I would totally withdraw my objection on that grounds.

You had me going for a second there. ;-)

You make my point for me though when you say that you'd have to read up on it when you first encountered it. That's exactly my point:

The trade off is between one application of attr to the code base to save N time/effort for the current developer one time, versus every bit of lost time/effort of future devs taken to understand the attr package.

It's cute, but it's an in-joke. Don't put in-jokes in code you want other people to use, otherwise they have to "get the joke" before they can work with it. That's what I'm on about.

Re:Using attrs for everything in Python by dr_zoidberg on Saturday August 27, 2016 @12:41AM (#12371026)
Weird, in Windows (Python 2.7.10) I have it without having ever installed it. Even pip uninstall didn't get it (just to make sure it wasn't installed from a dependency) but I can still import it.

On my Linux machine (Python 2.7.6) I can't import it without a previous install from pip install (that's reasonable).

Can't track down much about why this happens because googling "python attr" brings results about hasattr, getattr, etc, but few about the attr module.

Re:Using attrs for everything in Python by glyph on Saturday August 27, 2016 @03:31PM (#12373795)
It's not an "in-joke". It follows conventions set by the Python language:

- "def" instead of "define"

- "cls" instead of "Class"

- "sys" instead of "system"

- "os" instead of "operating_system_facilities"

- "ntpath" instead of "windows_path_names"

- "abc" instead of "abstract_base_classes"

Python aggressively abbreviates almost everything in common use. If it were in the stdlib, perhaps it would be the built-in names "attrs" and "attrib" rather than having dots in them, but the names would indubitably still be very short.

Re:Using attrs for everything in Python by carapace on Saturday August 27, 2016 @06:13PM (#12374403)
It's an "in-joke" in the sense that it doesn't make sense until you get the joke. There are people in this post discussion asking "What means .s and .ib?" It's not obvious to everyone.