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Re:The NSA Is Hoarding Vulnerabilities by Johnny555 on Friday August 26, 2016 @12:21PM (#12367275)
The government already admitted that they are hoarding vulnerabilities:

...the Obama administration announced, in early 2014, that the NSA must disclose flaws in common software so they can be patched (unless there is "a clear national security or law enforcement" use)...

Obviously any valuable zero-day flaw has clear national security use to a national security agency that's tasked with breaking into "enemy" systems.

Re:The NSA Is Hoarding Vulnerabilities by Florin_Andrei on Friday August 26, 2016 @01:36PM (#12367857)
That the NSA is sitting on a zero-day stockpile is absolutely not a surprise for anyone in the industry. Of course they do. If you worked there, you'd to it too.

But it's good to make the public more aware that this, indeed, is happening, it's not just something out of a Dan Brown paperback.

Re:The NSA Is Hoarding Vulnerabilities by pnathan on Friday August 26, 2016 @01:50PM (#12367957)
I'm a little surprised that this is even a point of ignorance...

Of course they do. Of course there is military research. Of course there is spying research. It's just the way it works.

Re:The NSA Is Hoarding Vulnerabilities by tptacek on Friday August 26, 2016 @12:32PM (#12367354)
Why the scare quotes around "enemy"?
Re:The NSA Is Hoarding Vulnerabilities by Johnny555 on Friday August 26, 2016 @01:24PM (#12367768)
Because, for example, few Americans consider Germany to be an "enemy" or even an "adversary", yet:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/08/nsa-tapped-g...

Re:The NSA Is Hoarding Vulnerabilities by tptacek on Friday August 26, 2016 @01:39PM (#12367879)
Nobody in the IC believes allies aren't constantly spying on each other. Germany and France are notorious for doing it to support their state industries. Like it or not, in the intelligence arena, the US and Germany are rivals.
Re:The NSA Is Hoarding Vulnerabilities by CDRdude on Friday August 26, 2016 @12:34PM (#12367369)
Because the NSA breaks into US-based companies too.
Re:The NSA Is Hoarding Vulnerabilities by tptacek on Friday August 26, 2016 @12:43PM (#12367442)
I'm sure that's happened, but there's a reason the EQ dump included lots of vulnerabilities for Chinese products nobody in the US deploys.

"Enemy" is a weird word ("adversary" is probably better), but however you slice it: NSA's mission includes real ones.

Re:The NSA Is Hoarding Vulnerabilities by nitrogen on Friday August 26, 2016 @01:42PM (#12367901)
That is entirely irrelevant to people who are still getting hacked because of these hoarded vulnerabilities.
Re:The NSA Is Hoarding Vulnerabilities by tptacek on Friday August 26, 2016 @01:50PM (#12367963)
I don't follow. Could you make this argument more specific? Who's doing this attacking? What kinds of vulnerabilities?

Stated as vaguely as you have, that's a hard argument to rebut. I tend to agree: the world would be a safer place if everything was publicly disclosed immediately. But even NSA's opponents tend not to support that as a policy objective.

Re:The NSA Is Hoarding Vulnerabilities by gknoy on Friday August 26, 2016 @12:44PM (#12367447)
Their tasking, though, is to break into foreign ones. They see breaking into domestic ones as necessary to do that (and I can see why they might feel that way, even if I don't like the result), but I don't believe it's part of their core mandate.