Re:The NSA Is Hoarding Vulnerabilities
by jessaustin on Friday August 26, 2016 @01:48PM
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...NSA should be stripped of its IAD mission, and a separately funded and operated IAD capability should be spun up under DHS...
Maybe DHS could get an actual CA-issued cert for https://www.iad.gov/ ?
Re:The NSA Is Hoarding Vulnerabilities
by linkregister on Friday August 26, 2016 @12:39PM
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Indeed. It astonishes me that Schneier continues to be taken seriously about (non-crypto) computer security when he has the same expertise in it as a typical NYT journalist.
I think the primary benefit that IAD, specifically the vulnerability research wing, has as being part of NSA is that vulnerability researchers rotate between SID and IAD as their careers progress, keeping IAD credible.
Your DHS idea would work (DHS already has a cybersecurity mandate) if there was a mandatory career rotation between NSA SID and DHS Cybersecurity. In my opinion there is so much overlap between IAD and Defense Information Security Agency (DISA) that what remained could be merged into DISA.
1. It's not true that there's broad agreement among experts about how the government ought to handle vulnerabilities. In fact, that's close to the opposite of the truth. On the question of regulation, the field is riven over Wassenaar and the prospect of vuln research regulation. It's also divided between people with operational knowledge of how zero-day is used by the IC and people looking from the outside in, and also between privacy activists and security researchers, which is a Venn diagram with only partial overlap.
2. Schneier is showily beating up on the USG "vulnerability equities process", which supposedly determines whether or not the USG will publish vulnerabilities. It's fair game. But something that there is broad agreement on among practitioners is that the VEP is a PR farce. Nobody needed "Shadow Brokers" to confirm this; you can't have been paying attention over the last 10 years and not see that SIGINT roflstomps IAD. Read between the lines: even without specific NSA disclosures, to believe that NSA was serious about VEP, you'd have to believe that NSA is unique among all global intelligence agencies about protecting industry from vulnerabilities.
3. Schneier's perspective on whether, why, and how vulnerabilities should be disclosed is probably naive. The best account I've read on this so far is Aitel's Vulnerability Equities post on Lawfare. For a simple example: NSA SIGINT cannot necessarily disclose old vulnerabilities, even for products that have been discontinued, without revealing to its opponents a catalog of every machine they've compromised over the lifespan of the vulnerability. Take for instance the Cisco SNMP vulnerability: SNMP is so low-volume that even mid-sized US corporations maintain full packet logs of every SNMP request sent on their network. To premise operation decisions on the idea that FSB doesn't do that would be extremely poor tradecraft.
That's not dispositive! It could be the case that the USG should simply give up on computer-based SIGINT, unilaterally disarming and working instead to help industry defend against foreign SIGINT. That would be a radical change and it would come with tradeoffs, but it's a coherent position.
A far more straightforward argument to make is that NSA SIGINT should be entirely exempt from any equities process, but that NSA should be stripped of its IAD mission, and a separately funded and operated IAD capability should be spun up under DHS, with clear directives to disclose immediately to vendors.
4. I'm a little biased on this, not because I'm a vuln researcher (I am, but I don't do the kind of work that gets marketed to government, nor have I or will I ever work with governments) but because I think Bruce Schneier's track record on this subject is both bad and inconsistent, dating back to his use of his popular newsletter to vilify eEye for disclosing to the public vulnerabilities later used to build worms.