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Re:University of Chicago: ‘We Do Not Support So-Called Trigg... by Chathamization on Thursday August 25, 2016 @04:03PM (#12362027)
> Go to university and you should expect "free and open exchange of ideas", go to a trade school if all you want is "credentials for employment".

Sure, theoretically. In the real world, not so much. Want to be a lawyer high up in a corporate firm? Get a research position doing the kind of work PhD's do? Good luck going down that path by going to a trade school.

Heck, look at the example of Susan Finley. After 46 successful years at NASA, they demoted her - because she didn't have a bachelor's degree.

If universities want to be mainly about debate and a free exchange ideas, they should give up their monopolies on the things most people are going there for (monopolies they really shouldn't have in the first place).

Re:University of Chicago: ‘We Do Not Support So-Called Trigg... by cmdkeen on Thursday August 25, 2016 @04:23PM (#12362184)
Law is also the sort of degree that is full of potentially triggering discussion. Law is also the sort of career in which you can't just opt out of the discussion.

There are plenty of wider discussions to be had about this whole thing. Ensuring that faculty are good teachers, which includes the empathy to broach difficult subjects with sensitivity and moderate debate. The provision of welfare services to students to assist them to make the most of their studies.

Listening to a minority whose refusal to engage and demand that others cave in to their views harms society - and in many instances harms the very people making the demands. Victims of sexual assaults need a justice system that is better at understanding issues of consent, victim blaming and the harm victim may be put through by a trial - and how to weigh that up against the right to confront your accuser. Ethnic minorities need a society better educated in history, understanding of cultural differences and similarities who continue to be more progressive and accepting than previous generations.

Re:University of Chicago: ‘We Do Not Support So-Called Trigg... by wyldfire on Thursday August 25, 2016 @04:09PM (#12362078)
> Want to be a lawyer ...

Perfect example! Law is one career where you can learn everything you need to know by reading books (ok, maybe all of them are that way..). Yet legislators (many lawyers themselves) in several states have introduced new laws to limit licensure only to those who have degrees. This would've excluded notables like Lincoln, Jefferson, Darrow, Marshall.

Re:University of Chicago: ‘We Do Not Support So-Called Trigg... by tnecniv on Thursday August 25, 2016 @06:05PM (#12362865)
What's the justification for doing this?
Re:University of Chicago: ‘We Do Not Support So-Called Trigg... by cuckcuckspruce on Thursday August 25, 2016 @07:06PM (#12363170)
The Bar Association is a modern guild. They don't want competition.
Re:University of Chicago: ‘We Do Not Support So-Called Trigg... by jessaustin on Thursday August 25, 2016 @07:21PM (#12363243)
Jefferson, at least, graduated from the College of William & Mary.
Re:University of Chicago: ‘We Do Not Support So-Called Trigg... by wyldfire on Friday August 26, 2016 @12:31AM (#12364243)
True, he studied law there but was never offered a "degree".

"I see on your C.V. you've written 'The United States Declaration of Independence' -- nice job! Oh but no JD? Tsk. Next!"

EDIT: though he was awarded 'honorary' degrees from several institutions. Would those pass muster these days? ;)

Re:University of Chicago: ‘We Do Not Support So-Called Trigg... by kd0amg on Thursday August 25, 2016 @04:25PM (#12362199)
Get a research position doing the kind of work PhD's do?

Avoiding exposure to ideas that challenge your own is not a good strategy for becoming an effective researcher.

Re:University of Chicago: ‘We Do Not Support So-Called Trigg... by grkvlt on Friday August 26, 2016 @03:45AM (#12364845)
> Susan Finley. After 46 successful years at NASA, they demoted her - because she didn't have a bachelor's degree

This is rather disingenuous. According to an article in the NYT [1] she just had her job title changed in 2004, from 'Engineer' to 'Engineering Specialist.' Her salary and status did not change. See the excerpt below:

    Instead, Ms. Finley, who never finished her degree, fell
    into a newly created classification: engineering
    specialist, an hourly position.

    Her overall pay did not change, and she is now eligible
    for overtime.
[1] http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/04/science/space/nasa-juno-su...
Re:University of Chicago: ‘We Do Not Support So-Called Trigg... by Chathamization on Friday August 26, 2016 @08:17PM (#12370213)
You left out this part:

> But the change still irks Ms. Finley; she must mark down her arrival each day, her half-hour of lunch and the time she leaves to go home.

> “It’s a demotion,” she said. “No one wants a demotion. We want to be treated like we deserve. But it’s true. I don’t have a degree.”

Nathalia Holt, a science writer who wrote a book about Finley and others, also considers it a demotion:

http://www.sciencefriday.com/segments/the-women-who-brought-...

Re:University of Chicago: ‘We Do Not Support So-Called Trigg... by unethical_ban on Thursday August 25, 2016 @04:11PM (#12362092)
Look at the way things could be, and ask "Why not?"

I'm not going to reject the ideal of college as a place to expand intellect because one common use is as a trade school.

Re:University of Chicago: ‘We Do Not Support So-Called Trigg... by echaozh on Thursday August 25, 2016 @10:08PM (#12363893)
Well, if universities are doing so wrong, you would expect people coming out to fix the problem by competing with them, at least in a free market like the States.

You may say they have, by setting up trade schools, whatever they are. If the trade schools are not doing enough, that's the problem of the trade schools, rather than of the universities. If the trade schools can provide good enough education, employers will recognize credentials they provide. If employers don't recognize them, there must be something missing from their education. The piece missing may well be what universities want the students to learn: communication with those you don't like.

Re:University of Chicago: ‘We Do Not Support So-Called Trigg... by fdgdasfadsf on Friday August 26, 2016 @03:35AM (#12364814)
But to be a lawyer high up in a corporate firm or get a research position you had damn well better be used to a free and open exchange of ideas. It is part of the "credentials for employment" that you can handle debate and can handle other people having radically different viewpoints and discussing uncomfortable topics.