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Re:Ramen noodles 'are most valuable US prison commodity', st... by douche on Tuesday August 23, 2016 @06:37AM (#12342642)
With someone like Breivik, who, whether or not what he's done is ever forgivable, will nevertheless never be allowed to walk free again, what is the point of locking them up behind bars for the rest of their lives?

The death penalty can be abused, but there are some clear cases where it is the most reasonable solution. Charlie Manson has been in jail for 45 years; probably Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will be kept alive for decades as well.

Re:Ramen noodles 'are most valuable US prison commodity', st... by mootothemax on Tuesday August 23, 2016 @06:50AM (#12342684)
>what is the point of locking them up behind bars for the rest of their lives?

That's the (small) price society pays because:

> The death penalty can be abused

And history has repeatedly shown that there is no level of evidence that can stop someone being wrongly convicted.

Re:Ramen noodles 'are most valuable US prison commodity', st... by coldtea on Tuesday August 23, 2016 @06:44AM (#12342663)
>The death penalty can be abused, but there are some clear cases where it is the most reasonable solution. Charlie Manson has been in jail for 45 years; probably Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will be kept alive for decades as well.

And the death penalty is "the most reasonable solution" in those cases because? It's "too much" to keep people alive?

In that case, maybe don't have a system that gives life sentences with wild abandon -- e.g. for BS "3 strikes offences", etc., and has the biggest incarceration rate in the world by a wide wide wide margin.

Re:Ramen noodles 'are most valuable US prison commodity', st... by douche on Tuesday August 23, 2016 @07:02AM (#12342727)
No, because these people have done terrible things, and society will not allow them to be redeemed. Is it more cruel to put somebody in a box for decades, or put a bullet in their brain and get it over with? I know which I would prefer.

Three strikes laws are idiotic, as are most manifestations of the US criminal justice system. I object to the knee-jerk reaction that the death penalty is inherently bad, in all cases, under any circumstances, and if you don't think so too, you're a terrible, awful, probably racist bigot.

Re:Ramen noodles 'are most valuable US prison commodity', st... by coldtea on Tuesday August 23, 2016 @07:59AM (#12342955)
>No, because these people have done terrible things, and society will not allow them to be redeemed.

Society can do much more than we give it credit for. Not all societies hold primitive eye-for-an-eye beliefs or worse.

>I object to the knee-jerk reaction that the death penalty is inherently bad, in all cases, under any circumstances

Well, societies that abolished it don't think so. At least their legislators and majority don't. Outliers will always think whatever they want (and grieving relatives of victims and such are the last that should be asked in those matters).

For me the death penalty is not different from things like torture, slavery, judicial rape, etc. Wrong under any circumstances.

Re:Ramen noodles 'are most valuable US prison commodity', st... by icebraining on Tuesday August 23, 2016 @10:36AM (#12344040)
I know which I would prefer.

Fine, then let's legalize euthanasia. Convicts who really prefer to die could do so. No need to the death penalty.

Re:Ramen noodles 'are most valuable US prison commodity', st... by icebraining on Tuesday August 23, 2016 @06:46AM (#12342669)
The point is not killing someone if we don't have to.