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Re:Almost 80% of Private Day Traders Lose Money by seanmcdirmid on Monday August 22, 2016 @08:12PM (#12340349)
Given an efficient market, stock trading with non-inside information is gambling, while stock trading with inside information is illegal. Markets exist to allocate capital efficiently, where the market invariably is designed to draw out information and intelligence that was previously not visible (a fine line between that and inside info).

If we all just bought indexes, of course, none of that would happen, capital would be divided conservatively according to the index manager. So at a higher level, there has to be some strategy that works beyond a brain dead index one, or markets wouldn't be successful at all. There must be some smart players out there that are doing efficient capital allocation (maybe not day traders, maybe not most of us, but someone...).

Re:Almost 80% of Private Day Traders Lose Money by unabst on Monday August 22, 2016 @09:56PM (#12340830)
But the problem is no one is day trading to contribute to the balance of the system. They do it purely to make money or because they have a gambling problem.

> There must be some smart players out there that are doing efficient capital allocation

Right. Either that, or they're encouraging day trading from behind the scenes (which would totally explain the financial news networks). And that's why the system frightens the shit out of me.

Re:Almost 80% of Private Day Traders Lose Money by qmalzp on Monday August 22, 2016 @08:18PM (#12340374)
I think what you're talking about lies between index funds and day trading, and it's called value investing. You buy stock in companies that you believe in for whatever reason (maybe you know someone really smart who works there and likes it), and hold that stock for several years.
Re:Almost 80% of Private Day Traders Lose Money by ac29 on Monday August 22, 2016 @10:45PM (#12341022)
> it's called value investing. You buy stock in companies that you believe in for whatever reason

No, value investing means you buy companies that you believe are underpriced for whatever reason [0]. Its an important distinction.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_investing

Re:Almost 80% of Private Day Traders Lose Money by seanmcdirmid on Monday August 22, 2016 @08:26PM (#12340423)
Active day trading has its place in ensuring market liquidity. Without it, the market would be much less dynamic. If it serves a good role, then someone must be doing it right and making money off of it.
Re:Almost 80% of Private Day Traders Lose Money by IamHWengineer on Monday August 22, 2016 @09:49PM (#12340802)
the broker is making money
Re:Almost 80% of Private Day Traders Lose Money by katzgrau on Monday August 22, 2016 @09:38PM (#12340757)
I agree with you to an extent, but want to elaborate for anyone who may read your comment and misunderstand.

Value investing does involve investing in companies you believe in, but that belief stems from research and a deep understanding of the market and intrinsic value of the company you are investing in.

The more you truly know prior to investing, the better your investments will likely perform. The key is to eliminate areas of uncertainty (which may ultimately be gaps in your own knowledge).