"I have had someone high on the leaderboard tell me he just does not see women treated differently here. I am clear I have been treated differently"
I noticed. Women, if name indicates a woman, are definitely treated differently here. I can't assess how much as most comments seem to focus just on what they say. What they should focus on. I pick up on changes occasionally, even in my own posts. I try to force myself to be unbiased in how I respond to anyone here.
" It ends up being maddeningly difficult to get other people to see it."
Your blog post on how men react to women entering a tech forum was a nice start. I immediately remembered instances of what you described. Your name might also bias how they perceive you but you already know & wrote on that.
"Yet, the reality is that I am a very prominent woman on HN and I remain extremely poor."
This is sad. It just has nothing to do with being a woman online. That you learned to get upvotes on a tech site takes a different set of skills than real-world success. In the real world, it's usually who you know, how you're perceived, what you can do, and hustling for more. How you present yourself vs what those in the locale expect is one of biggest criteria in whether you'll get desired or hired. Sexism certainly becomes a factor, esp if a woman has a strong, independent personality.
"No one seems to even notice the glaring example that the highest ranked woman here is desperately poor and homeless while the highest ranked men are all quite comfortable and I am reasonably confident that at least two of them are self-made millionaires.'
I'm highly-ranked, white, male, and very poor. Few opportunities in my area close to family. Under or esp overqualified for most roles. I know a lot of people in my situation because I spend more time around real-world people than online. Similar effect where expectations of appearance, social circles, "right" experience, and so on are used to discriminate. They all do it regardless of what their race or gender is. It's the baseline with sexism, etc layering on top of that.
"then you can tell me that remarks like the one above -- which is, happily, currently flagged to death-- are not an expression of sexism."
I've read online forums and dealt with the general public for years. All kinds of women have made similar comments. Sometimes it was looking for a date but other times (most?) they just wondered what someone looked like. I didn't accuse them of sexism because that alternative, common explanation exists. The main problem I saw with comment you referenced is it added nothing to the discussion and led to a big tangent unrelated to new hire. So, I'm done with it at this point.
I noticed. Women, if name indicates a woman, are definitely treated differently here. I can't assess how much as most comments seem to focus just on what they say. What they should focus on. I pick up on changes occasionally, even in my own posts. I try to force myself to be unbiased in how I respond to anyone here.
" It ends up being maddeningly difficult to get other people to see it."
Your blog post on how men react to women entering a tech forum was a nice start. I immediately remembered instances of what you described. Your name might also bias how they perceive you but you already know & wrote on that.
"Yet, the reality is that I am a very prominent woman on HN and I remain extremely poor."
This is sad. It just has nothing to do with being a woman online. That you learned to get upvotes on a tech site takes a different set of skills than real-world success. In the real world, it's usually who you know, how you're perceived, what you can do, and hustling for more. How you present yourself vs what those in the locale expect is one of biggest criteria in whether you'll get desired or hired. Sexism certainly becomes a factor, esp if a woman has a strong, independent personality.
"No one seems to even notice the glaring example that the highest ranked woman here is desperately poor and homeless while the highest ranked men are all quite comfortable and I am reasonably confident that at least two of them are self-made millionaires.'
I'm highly-ranked, white, male, and very poor. Few opportunities in my area close to family. Under or esp overqualified for most roles. I know a lot of people in my situation because I spend more time around real-world people than online. Similar effect where expectations of appearance, social circles, "right" experience, and so on are used to discriminate. They all do it regardless of what their race or gender is. It's the baseline with sexism, etc layering on top of that.
"then you can tell me that remarks like the one above -- which is, happily, currently flagged to death-- are not an expression of sexism."
I've read online forums and dealt with the general public for years. All kinds of women have made similar comments. Sometimes it was looking for a date but other times (most?) they just wondered what someone looked like. I didn't accuse them of sexism because that alternative, common explanation exists. The main problem I saw with comment you referenced is it added nothing to the discussion and led to a big tangent unrelated to new hire. So, I'm done with it at this point.